The Aaron’s Company, Inc. (NYSE:AAN) Q4 2023 Results Conference Call February 27, 2024 8:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Mark Levee - Vice President, Finance and Investor Relations

Douglas Lindsay - Chief Executive Officer

Stephen Olsen - President

Kelly Wall - Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

Bobby Griffin - Raymond James

Kyle Joseph - Jefferies

Joseph Civello - Truist

Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Aaron’s Company, Inc. Q4 2023 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Charlie and I'll be coordinating the call today. You will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of the presentation. [Operator Instructions]

I'll now hand over to our host, Mark Levee, VP of Finance and Investor Relations, to begin.

Mark, please go ahead.

Mark Levee

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today are Aaron's Chief Executive Officer, Douglas Lindsay; President, Steve Olson; and Chief Financial Officer, Kelly Wall. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Yesterday, after the market closed, we posted our earnings release on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.aarons.com.

We also posted a slide presentation that provides additional information about our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results and our full year 2024 outlook. During today's call, certain statements we make may be forward looking, including those related to our outlook for this year. For more information, including important cautionary notes about these forward-looking statements, please refer to the safe harbor provision that can be found at the end of the earnings release. The safe harbor provision identifies risks that may cause actual results to differ materially from the content of our forward-looking statements. Also, please see our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, and other filings with the SEC for a description of the risks related to our business that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward-looking statements.

We plan to file our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, later this week. On today's call, in the earnings release and in the supplemental investor presentation, we refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA, non-GAAP net earnings, non-GAAP EPS, adjusted free cash flow and net debt, which have been adjusted for certain items which may affect the comparability of our performance with other companies. These non-GAAP measures are detailed in the reconciliation tables included in our earnings release and the supplemental investor presentation posted on our website. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Douglas Lindsay.

Douglas Lindsay

Thanks, Mark. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us and for your interest in the Aaron's Company. Today, in addition to providing more detail on our fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings, we'd like to discuss the strong actions we've taken and continue to take to drive demand, further reduce costs and improve performance across the company. While the retail environment for consumer durables continues to experience headwinds, including elevated levels of inflation, low housing starts and increased consumer debt, our lease-to-own business model remains resilient, and we continue to innovate to better serve our customers.

We have recently enhanced our lease decisioning technology and customer acquisition programs, which are leading to an improved customer experience. higher conversion rates and greater efficiencies in our business. Because of this, in the fourth quarter of 2023, we experienced growth in most of our major product categories at Aaron's. These benefits are carrying over into the first quarter of 2024, and we expect them to continue over the course of the year. We have also continued to streamline our cost structure and delivered over $40 million of cost reductions in 2023, exceeding the high end of our target range.

Today, we'll also provide our 2024 outlook and why given the fundamental strength of our business, we believe we are well positioned to deliver enhanced long-term value to shareholders. Now I'll turn to our consolidated financial performance and then cover each of the business segments. Consolidated company earnings for the fourth quarter were below our expectations, primarily due to softer-than-expected demand at BrandsMart. For the full year 2023, we delivered consolidated company revenues in line with the revised outlook we provided on October 23. The consolidated adjusted earnings were approximately $4 million below the low end of our outlook range.

We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet, reducing our net debt balance from $215 million at the end of 2022 to $135 million at the end of 2023, a reduction of over 37%. We also delivered strong adjusted free cash flow in 2023 that exceeded the high end of our revised outlook by approximately 28%. Now turning to the business segments. The Aaron's business delivered revenues for the year that exceeded our revised outlook and adjusted earnings that were within our revised outlook. However, we ended the fourth quarter with our lease portfolio size down 7% year-over-year due to the ongoing challenging demand trends.

Throughout 2023, we took actions to improve our lease decisioning technology, in-store operational procedures and marketing programs. In the fourth quarter, we launched a new omnichannel lease decisioning and customer acquisition program that provides leasing power to ecommerce customers, allowing them to shop across whatever channel they prefer. This has resulted in higher conversion rate of lease applications. In the first 8 weeks of 2024, we're seeing total lease merchandise deliveries up high single digits, and our ecommerce channel is up over 100% as compared to the prior year period. Our 2024 earnings outlook for the Aaron's business reflects the benefits of our enhanced customer acquisition program, which is partially offsetting the impact of a lower lease portfolio size to start the year.

We expect our lease portfolio size to grow sequentially beginning in the second quarter and to end the year up mid-single digits as compared to year-end 2023. Now turning to BrandsMart. BrandsMart continued to experience softness in customer demand during the fourth quarter due to lower customer traffic and continued trade down to lower-priced products across our major product categories. As a result, BrandsMart ended the year with revenues and adjusted earnings below our revised outlook. Although demand is challenging, we remain confident in BrandsMart's compelling value proposition, strength of the brand and potential to expand its market.

Our full year 2024 outlook for BrandsMart assumes that high inflation and other macroeconomic factors experienced in 2023, will continue to put pressure on customer demand in the first half of the year, followed by improvements in demand in the second half of the year, primarily due to the anticipated rebound in our product categories. As we look to 2024 and beyond, I want to reiterate that our management team and Board are highly engaged and committed to taking actions that will deliver additional value for shareholders. We continue to execute our strategy, including transforming the Aaron's business and enhancing and growing BrandsMart. We also remain focused on streamlining our cost structure and generating greater efficiencies across both businesses. In the first quarter, we reduced our store support center personnel by approximately 15% and adjusted the compensation of our top executives to better align the company performance.

We also plan to implement additional expense reduction initiatives throughout 2024. With the investments we've made to innovate our business and the strength of our balance sheet, we are better positioned than ever to drive long-term profitable growth at Aaron's and BrandsMart. I will now turn the call over to Steve to speak about the operational performance of each business segment.

Stephen Olsen

Thanks, Douglas, and good morning, everyone. The Aaron's business delivered revenues in the fourth quarter that were in line with our internal expectations despite experiencing choppy customer demand in the quarter. Lease merchandise deliveries increased 1.4% year-over-year, largely due to our new omnichannel lease decisioning and customer acquisition program. This new program not only drove a higher conversion rate, but also improved customer shopping experience. During the quarter, we continued to see pressure on average ticket as customers selected lower-price items across all major product categories.

Our lease portfolio ended the quarter with a value of $117.7 million. This represented a 1.1% increase as compared to Q3, but was 7% lower than the prior year quarter. Now moving to our key lease renewal metrics. The lease renewal rate for the quarter was 85.2% for our company-operated Aaron stores. This rate was down approximately 60 basis points year-over-year.

Our 32-plus day nonrenewal rate was 2.7% at the end of the fourth quarter, flat year-over-year. We are pleased with enhancements to our lease decisioning technology, which we believe will continue to contribute to improvements in our write-offs. In the fourth quarter, write-offs as a percentage of lease revenues was 6.5%, which is an improvement of 60 basis points versus the prior year quarter. Now turning to our important strategic growth initiatives for the Aaron's business. Our market optimization strategy, which includes our GenNext stores and hub and showroom program continues to deliver meaningful financial performance through the transformation of our in-store customer experience and operating vault.In the quarter, we opened 9 GenNext stores, bringing the year-to-date total to 43 stores and 254 company-operated GenNext door since launching the program.

At the end of the quarter, these stores accounted for more than 32% of our lease revenues and retail sales. That compares to just over 25% in the prior year quarter. Recurring revenue written in GenNext doors opened less than 1 year continued growing at a rate of more than 20 percentage points higher than our legacy store average. In addition, we ended the fourth quarter with a total of 114 showrooms in the chain and are pleased with the cost savings this program is delivering. I'm excited to report that we opened 7 Aaron stores in new markets in 2023, including 4 GenNext doors and 3 showrooms.

In 2024, we plan to open approximately 20 GenNext stores, including 5 to 10 stores in new markets. Now turning to the Aaron's ecommerce channel. During the fourth quarter, we rolled out a new omnichannel lease decisioning and customer acquisition program, which now allows customers to shop across all of our channels by submitting just 1 lease application. We now approve customers to a consistent lease decisioning model. As part of this, each approved ecommerce customer now receives what we call leasing power.

Leasing power is a customer's maximum total monthly lease payment amount that can be used to shop our full product selection, both online and in stores. While leasing power had previously been available in our stores, expanding it to ecommerce has improved the overall customer shopping experience and led to higher approval and conversion rates during the fourth quarter. Also during the fourth quarter, we continue to focus on improving our digital marketing strategies, enhancing the online shopping experience and expanding the assortment with over 11,600 products on Aarons.com. In the fourth quarter, revenues generated from leases initiated on Aarons.com increased 10.4% year-over-year and now represent over 20% of total lease revenues as compared to approximately 17% in the prior year quarter. Recurring revenue written into the portfolio from ecommerce increased 60% year-over-year.

With continued enhancements to our ecommerce channel, we expect ecommerce to represent over 30% of our total recurring revenue written in 2024. We also continue to see growth in our weekly payment option, both in stores and on Aarons.com. We believe our compelling lease rate and payment options will continue to attract new customers and help us gain market share over time. As Douglas mentioned earlier, we are excited about the trends we are seeing in the Aaron's business so far this year. Through the first 8 weeks of the year, we are up high single digits and lease merchandise deliveries as compared to the same period last year, and we expect to end 2024 with a larger lease portfolio than the end of 2023.

Now turning to BrandsMart. As Douglas mentioned, we continue to operate in a challenging macroeconomic environment where customer demand for our product categories has not rebounded from the demand pull forward that occurred during the pandemic. During the fourth quarter, BrandsMart continued to experience weaker customer traffic and trade down to lower-priced products in our key product categories of major appliances to consumer electronics. As a result, BrandsMart's comparable sales were down 14% year-over-year. Consistent with overall sales performance, we experienced pressure in our ecommerce channel.

Ecommerce product sales represented about 10% of total product sales in the quarter, down from 10.5% in the prior year quarter. We continue to invest in our ecommerce channel and digital marketing strategies to attract new customers. We are optimistic that our investments will equip BrandsMart to improve sales performance as customer demand rebounds later this year. Also in 2024, we plan to focus on improving our in-store shopping experience by rationalizing our product assortment, expanding our furniture product category to attract new customers and opening another new store in the second half of the year. In addition, we continue to focus on cost control and optimizing profitability of the business.

Now I'll turn the call over to Kelly to provide further details on our financial performance and outlook for 2024.

Kelly Wall

Thanks, Steve. We filed a Form 8-K after the market close yesterday, which included our earnings release, investor presentation and additional information. These documents can be found on our Investor Relations website. Please refer to these documents for additional detail regarding our financial performance and outlook for the consolidated company and the 2 business segments. We plan to file our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, later this week.

Unless stated otherwise, any comparisons I make to prior periods will be on a year-over-year basis. Let's start with the fourth quarter. Consolidated revenues for the fourth quarter of 2023 were $529.5 million compared to $589.6 million. This year-over-year decrease is primarily due to lower lease revenues and fees at the Aaron's business and lower retail sales at BrandsMart. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $22.4 million compared to $29.9 million.

This year-over-year decrease is primarily due to the lower revenues at both business segments, partially offset by lower total consolidated operating expenses, including lower write-offs at the Aaron's business. As a percentage of total revenues, adjusted EBITDA was 4.2% compared to 5.1%. On a non-GAAP basis, diluted loss per share was $0.26 compared to earnings of $0.09. Adjusted free cash flow was $15.9 million, a decrease of $8.8 million. This decrease was driven by lower earnings and higher inventory purchases to meet increased demand.

This was partially offset by increases in working capital and proceeds from real estate transactions that were $7.8 million higher. Now I'll summarize our full year 2023 consolidated financial results. Again, comparisons here are year-over-year. Consolidated revenues were $2.14 billion, down 4.9% due to lower lease revenues and fees and retail and nonretail sales at the Aaron's business as well as lower retail sales at BrandsMart. Adjusted EBITDA was $136 million, down from $177.1 million due primarily to the same factors that impacted the fourth quarter year-over-year performance that I discussed earlier.

As a percentage of total revenues, adjusted EBITDA was 6.4% compared to 7.9%. On a non-GAAP basis, diluted earnings per share were $0.81 compared to $2.07. During 2023, the company paid $15 million in dividends and repurchased about $6.5 million of the company's common stock. At the end of 2023, the company had a cash balance of $59 million and total debt of $194 million. This represents a $13.2 million reduction to our net debt balance from the end of the third quarter and a $79.8 million reduction from the end of 2022.

Now turning to our 2024 outlook. Our full year 2024 outlook for total revenues at the consolidated company is $2.055 billion to $2.155 billion. And adjusted EBITDA is $105 million to $125 million. Our 2024 non-GAAP EPS outlook ranges from a loss of $0.10 per share to earnings of $0.25 per share, which has been impacted by lower adjusted EBITDA, higher depreciation expense, higher interest expense and a higher effective tax rate versus last year. For the full year 2024, we are assuming an effective non-GAAP tax rate of about 50%, a diluted weighted average share count of 31.1 million shares and no share repurchases.

The non-GAAP tax rate includes the impact of certain permanent items impacting the 2024 outlook. Our adjusted free cash flow outlook is $15 million to $30 million. This reduction year-over-year is from the purchase of higher levels of lease merchandise at the Aaron's business and merchandise inventories at BrandsMart. At the Aaron's business, the additional investment in inventory is driven by the continued increase in demand that we are currently experiencing. At BrandsMart, this investment in merchandise inventory is driven by growth in comparable sales and the new store we plan to open in the second half of the year.

Several factors are influencing our 2024 outlook. We started the year with a 7% lower lease portfolio size at the Aaron's business. Our outlook assumes the lease portfolio size grows mid-single digits in 2024 and reflects the growth in recurring revenue written that we are currently experiencing. And as Douglas mentioned, we expect the portfolio to grow sequentially beginning in the second quarter. We also expect that lease renewal rates would be lower and write-offs will be higher, driven by an increasing mix of ecommerce agreements written into the portfolio.

At BrandsMart, our outlook assumes that demand improves in the back half of the year with sequential improvement in comparable sales in each quarter of the year. We expect higher operating costs in 2024 to be partially offset by the additional cost reductions we began to action in Q1 of this year and the full run rate of actions taken in 2023. We expect to recognize these savings primarily at the Aaron's Business segment and within unallocated corporate expenses. We have identified additional areas to improve efficiencies across our stores, supply chain network and corporate functions. As we think about the financial performance over the course of 2024, the lower lease portfolio size at the Aaron's business to begin the year, combined with incremental marketing investments will put pressure on the P&L, and earnings increases will lag the expected lease portfolio size growth.

As a reminder, our lease portfolio typically shrinks in the first quarter due to customers exercising early purchase options during the income tax refund season. In addition, we continue to experience pressure on demand at BrandsMart that we expect to persist through the first half of the year. As a result, we expect first quarter consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be lower year-over-year and to represent roughly 20% of total adjusted EBITDA for the year. We also expect Q1 to be a net loss. The latter part of the year is expected to benefit from the demand improvements at both businesses, partially offset by a lower lease renewal rate and higher write-offs with Q2 and Q3 generating the majority of earnings in 2024.

We also expect non-GAAP EPS to follow a similar spread with Q1 being the low point in the middle of the year, the high point. Given the continued demand environment challenges and uncertainty, which have impacted our 2023 results and 2024 outlook, we are withdrawing the multiyear adjusted EBITDA margin outlook we provided last year and are not providing an update at this time. Before I hand the call back to Douglas, I want to review our capital allocation priorities. These priorities remain largely unchanged. We continue to focus on investing in the Aaron's business and BrandsMart to drive revenue and earnings growth while maintaining a conservative leverage profile of 1x to 1.5x net debt to adjusted EBITDA.

After this, we look to return capital to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases, and we'll continue to evaluate acquisitions on an opportunistic basis. As it relates to returning capital to shareholders, yesterday, we announced our quarterly dividend. We will pay $0.125 per share on April 3 to shareholders of record as of close of business on March 14. Now I'll hand it back to Douglas to make a few remarks before we turn to Q&A.

Douglas Lindsay

Thank you, Kelly. While 2023 was a challenging year, we've taken decisive actions to improve performance, and I'm excited about what we're seeing so far in 2024. We have a resilient business model and a healthy financial profile, and I believe we're well positioned to take advantage of the significant opportunities in front of us. Now we will take your questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bobby Griffin of Raymond James.

Robert Griffin

I guess first off, you guys -- we talked about seeing some written signs of written growth here in the core Aaron's business around the holiday and then carrying some of that forward into 2024. But we do have probably a mix of higher ecommerce, so that's driving the lease renewal rate to be a little of a headwind, I guess, into the lease revenue. So as you think about this business changing, the composition of it changing, does the underlying earnings stream that we're used to in this business look different? Or is it just a function that we got to kind of lap some of these comparisons before we'll start to get some more of the earnings kind of bleed in that we're used to?

Douglas Lindsay

Yes. Bobby, it's Douglas. I would say, first of all, we're seeing really strong signs and this new customer acquisition program that we rolled out, and it's specifically benefiting ecomm, but is also benefiting our stores. We're seeing more and more customers getting approved online and shopping in stores with their remaining leasing power, which is encouraging.Ecomm was up 60% in the quarter in recurring revenue written and we said it's going to be tracking in the first 8 weeks to over 100% in the first quarter. And so that's really encouraging.

As we think about the business going forward, post-pandemic, more and more customers, whether existing and new customers have decided to come to us via the ecomm channel. That's just the way the customer wants to interact. So that's a really important channel that we're investing in. Our customer wants flexibility and optionality to shop with us in a really an omnichannel way. It's important to note that our ecommerce originated agreements are serviced by our stores.

Our stores are a very critical component to this. We have customers applying online and conversions are actually happening in our stores. Our folks are calling from stores to follow up on dropped cart leads and other remaining leasing power opportunities. We're also servicing these customers out of our stores. So renewals, deliveries, returns, pre-leased product is all coming out of our stores.

And while we expect renewal rate and write-offs to be up, we believe the decisions we're making are managing risk appropriately and driving incremental revenue and earnings. Probably equally as important, I know we say this all the time as our decisioning model is solving for risk-adjusted margin on a dollar basis, and we're making each decision on an application-by-application basis regardless of the channel that it comes in.

Robert Griffin

Okay. So to maybe take that a step further, just like as this composition continues to change a little, does it change like the historical margin profile of the business? Or do you still kind of look at the business combined kind of being able to deliver what we're -- I guess, when I say we, just the investors or -- the Street are kind of used to seeing from a margin EBITDA growth here of the business. I'm just trying to -- ecommerce has taken off, but the lease portfolio is still kind of trending down. So just trying to wrap my head around the mix and how it's changing and then how we get kind of that path back into growing the lease portfolio and as well as growing earnings of the store business, the Aaron's store business?

Kelly Wall

Yes Bobby, it's Kelly. So as we're seeing growth in ecomm here in the near term, it is putting pressure on margin. As we've talked about in the past, right, the lease renewal rates tend to be lower for agreements that originated in that channel and write-offs tend to be higher. But as the portfolio -- so that is in the near term, again, putting pressure on margin.Also, our increased investment on the marketing side, really in the first half of the year and continuing into the back half of the year is also impacting margin this year. But as the lease portfolio size grows, whether it's coming from ecomm or through store originated deals that by virtue of the larger lease portfolio size, we're getting more gross profit dollar flow through, which is -- which would help with overall EBITDA margins as well.

But again, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you would see that lag right, portfolio will grow first and the margin improvement would come down the road.

Douglas Lindsay

Yes. And Bobby, just one last thing as I mentioned in my comments, we're expecting to see sequential lease portfolio growth after Q2. The way the lease -- as you know, the way the lease-to-own business operates as we incur marketing costs and incur initially more write-offs in the first 90 days and also working capital to fuel the growth. But once we get beyond there, we really start to see the margin flow-through benefits in the portfolio, which will carry over for -- our average lease is a little over 20 months written and so we get that benefit over a multiyear period.

Robert Griffin

Okay. Very helpful. I guess 2 final questions for me. I mean, 1, tax refunds off to, I guess, there's some commentary out there, a little bit of delay. So just anything there you guys are seeing for us to keep in mind.

And then two, just on the BrandsMart side of things, if we're kind of in this environment of rough comps or kind of tough comps, is there further cost to be removed there to kind of help maintain the EBITDA profile? Or is it really just revenue dependent on getting EBITDA margins back up to kind of the mid-single-digit level or low single-digit level?

Douglas Lindsay

Sure. I'll take tax season, the first. As you know, refund season just started, and we'll provide more detail on our Q1 earnings call, which will be right around the corner. But tax season is a little delayed on starting. I'm sure everybody is aware of that.

And we're just starting to get in some impacts of checks being released here.Our 2024 outlook assumes that this year's tax season will be similar to last year's and as you know, tax season is never over until it's over. And we expect that because it's similar to the last year, we should see similar payment activity and early purchase options as we did last year. In regards to BrandsMart, we continue to look to optimize the cost structure. But ultimately, you're right, it's going to really be about top line demand and winning share in this market. The marketplace for appliances and electronics has been challenging, and we're forecasting demand to improve over the course of the year.

A bright spot is the new store we opened and Augusta is off to a good start. And as we mentioned earlier, we're going to open another store in the back half of this year. We really believe in the growth opportunity -- market growth opportunity at BrandsMart and the compelling brand positioning that we have in South Florida and Georgia, in particular. The 4-wall economics of these stores are very compelling, and we can layer this on top of our existing store support and corporate overhead structure. And we believe when demand does improve in the second half of the year, we'll see great flow-through.

Steve and his team have done a really good job on managing costs and improving margin in that business. And ultimately, it's going to be a top line story going forward.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kyle Joseph of Jefferies.

Kyle Joseph

Just want to -- obviously, it sounds like Aaron's was consistent with your expectations, BrandsMart lagging and don't get me wrong, we understand how difficult consumer retail is right now. But in your perspective, is that a function of the customer base at the respective stores? Or is that kind of a function of the discretionary nature of the purchases between the 2? What's really driving the variance in performance in recent periods?

Stephen Olsen

Kyle, this is Steve. I would say it's a combination. One is these being durable goods that we really drive at BrandsMart appliances, consumer electronics and furniture, but the breakdown of that is really between transactions and ticket is what's driving the decline in comparable sales. So that's about, call it, 2/3 of a mix on transactions and then 1/3 on ticket.

Stephen Olsen

Kyle, you did bring up kind of the difference between our lease-to-own business and BrandsMart, which is a pure retail business. And again, we've talked about this in the past, our Aaron's business has the benefit of being a portfolio business. So we're originating these leases and then customers are renewing them and we're receiving payments over time, which is providing a bit more consistency.So when you see growth in demand in general for consumer durable goods, you see greater growth on a pure retail company than you would typically in a lease-to-own business. And the same thing happens on the downside. And again, part of that, as you mentioned, is related to the customer mix.

Most of our customers on the lease-to-own side, it's more of a needs-based kind of transaction. They need a new refrigerator, they need new furniture. They don't have access to traditional payment options, and so we're there to meet their needs.

Kyle Joseph

Got it. Very helpful. And then one follow-up for me for Douglas. On credit, I know you talked about write-offs being a function of ecomm growth, but aside from that, any changes to underwriting or kind of the outlook for the health of your consumer?

Douglas Lindsay

No changes really. We continue to say we continue to optimize our decisioning model. Obviously, the rollout of this one decision model across all of our origination channels has been very helpful in approving customers and our algorithms and models continue to slope risk and continue to be predictive. So we have great confidence there, and I'm really happy with what we've done there and continue to do.In terms of the consumer, Kelly said it right. I mean, Aaron's model has been really resilient.

We've seen our -- the Aaron's customer be very resilient as a needs-based customer. If you look at our recurring revenue written in the portfolio, which was down in the mid-4% range as compared to retail, we feel like the business has hung in there pretty well. As Kelly said also, in terms of pull forward of demand, Aaron's didn't have as much pull forward in the stimulus aided period, and so we don't expect as much relief there, albeit we do expect to relief. But most of the ups, we think, will be more materially seen in the BrandsMart business. But BrandsMart continues to be challenging going into Q1.

We are expecting 3% comps, favorable comps at BrandsMart in Q1 and in sequential -- I mean, I'm sorry, for the full year of '24 and sequential improvement throughout the year, but we are expecting Q1 EBITDA at BrandsMart to be negative due to these demand trends.

Kelly Wall

And comps comp sales at BrandsMart to be negative in Q1 as well. The other thing I'd point out here, Kyle, is from a write-off as a percentage of lease revenues, our view on 2024 is that they will be higher, again driven by greater mix of ecomm originated agreements as well as more new customers. And so our view of this year is that we're going to land on a full year basis, somewhere between 6% and 7% and will be higher in each quarter of this year year-over-year.

Stephen Olsen

And Kyle, one last thing. Just to wrap that conversation up is we are seeing those higher write-offs are because of the growth that we're seeing, this 100% ecomm growth and high single-digit overall delivery growth in the business. So we're super excited about that, and we're deploying working capital into this growth cycle.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Scott Ciccarelli of Truist.

Joseph Civello

This is Joe Civello on for Scott. Just wanted to follow up on the BrandsMart discussion a little bit. The recovery you're kind of thinking about in the second half. Can you just talk about the drivers of that on the product side, maybe or anything -- any color we can give there would be great.

Stephen Olsen

Joe, this is Steve. So what we believe what we're expecting is some of the demand pull forward that we experienced during the pandemic to release. And we're already seeing some signs of that in some of the short life cycle products like computers, cell phones, gaming systems and things like that.So what we believe is, as we move further and further away from those peak periods during the pandemic that even these larger durable categories like appliances, like TVs, we should start seeing some of that demand pull forward release. They're also obviously comping over weaker comps last year. So that's helping with the guide as well.

Joseph Civello

And then just switching gears a little bit. I think last quarter, you guys talked about seeing like a slightly higher income credit customer shopping a little bit. Can you just talk about any trends there?

Douglas Lindsay

Yes. We haven't really seen anything material at this time in terms of changes in our customer coming into Aarons. However, BrandsMart, I think we've mentioned before, we've got a first and second look credit provider there that represents about 30% of our business. And we're seeing them tightening credit standards. That started at the end of last year and that's continued through the first quarter.

That's helping our BrandsMart leasing business, but we've not seen any material increase to decisioning scores of Aaron’s. I think importantly, we have not also baked in any benefit from a credit trade down in 2024 in the Aaron's business outlook provided.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this stage, we have no further questions registered. So I'll hand back over to Douglas Lindsay for any closing remarks.

Douglas Lindsay

Thank you, operator. Thank you for joining the call today, and thank you for all of our -- thank you to all of our company and franchise team members at Aaron's, BrandsMart, BrandsMart Leasing and Woodhaven for your continued contributions. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Take care.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.