Tripadvisor, Inc. (NASDAQ:TRIP) Q2 2023 Earnings Conference Call August 3, 2023 8:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Angela White - Vice President of Investor Relations

Matt Goldberg - President and Chief Executive Officer

Mike Noonan - Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

Naved Khan - B. Riley Securities

Lloyd Walmsley - UBS

Richard Clarke - Bernstein

James Michael - Citi

Jed Kelly - Oppenheimer

Mario Lu - Barclays Capital

Stephen Ju - Credit Suisse

Brian Fitzgerald - Wells Fargo

Kevin Kopelman - TD Cowen

Operator

Good day. And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Tripadvisor Second Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Angela White, VP of IR. Please go ahead.

Angela White

Thank you, Tess. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to Tripadvisor's second quarter 2023 financial results conference call. Joining me today are Matt Goldberg, President and CEO; and Mike Noonan, CFO.

Last night, after the market close, we filed and made available our earnings release. In the release, you'll find reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures discussed on this call.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this call may contain forward estimates and other forward-looking statements that represent management's view as of today, August 3, 2023. TripAdvisor disclaims any obligation to update these statements to reflect future events or circumstances. Please refer to our earnings release as well as our filings with the SEC for information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt.

Matt Goldberg

Thanks, Angela. And thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. For the second quarter, on a consolidated basis, we delivered healthy revenue growth of 18% across the group, driven by our experiences offerings which outperformed our expectations, and notably surpassed our branded hotels revenue in size for the first time. We believe this is a reflection of our advantaged position as we leverage the complementary nature of our Viator and TripAdvisor brands to lead the market in this high growth, under-penetrated, and fragmented travel category.

Group adjusted EBITDA was $90 million or 18% of revenue, within the range we provided last quarter. Importantly, our teams continue to make progress across our segment strategies. At Tripadvisor Core, we are executing on our engagement-led strategy by reinvigorating our focus on world-class guidance products to fuel our diverse monetization paths. At Viator, we are reinforcing our leadership position in experiences by investing in awareness, enhanced products, and repeat bookings to capture more market share. At TheFork, we're focusing on driving healthy growth with significant margin improvement this year by delivering value to both diners and restaurants as the leader in the European dining market.

Within the Tripadvisor Core segment, we delivered results that were in line with expectations, with the exception of a shortfall in branded hotels revenue related to a lower seasonal pickup in European hotel meta. Mike will cover the details in his remarks, but I think it's important to note this upfront to place our quarterly performance in the context of our strategy. We are five months into a multiyear strategy at TripAdvisor. And as we've shared previously, the financial impact will take time to materialize. While we're still in the early days, we're already seeing encouraging momentum as we execute, and we will continue to reinforce our focus on our highest conviction priorities.

At the same time, we will balance operating with financial discipline with how we deliver on our longer-term plans. To provide flexibility to invest in our strategic priorities, this year and next, we have initiated actions to achieve cost savings within the organization. This is expected to result in an estimated $35 million of annualized savings. These actions are aligned with our strategy, and we believe will help position us for the future.

We're making meaningful progress on our strategic initiatives. In late-June, we launched a significant upgrade to Trips, our core trip-planning and itinerary product. This includes the introduction of a new generative AI-powered travel itinerary feature, which leverages a combination of best-in-class LLMs along with our proprietary data and trusted content. We've been pleased to receive positive consumer feedback, which we believe highlights our unique opportunity to deliver better recommendations based on the advice of real travelers and to integrate AI fully into our overall trip-planning experience.

While the feature is still in public beta, our early metrics are promising, with user satisfaction scores already approaching nearly 70% positive feedback on individual recommendations, and meaningful conversion to saved trips. The completion rate at which travelers are providing input to generate an itinerary is approximately two times higher than our historical average for other similar structured inputs. And travelers are signing in as members to engage with this feature at approximately four times our site-wide average. We know from our internal data that when casual visitors to our site convert to members, they visit four times more often and monetize at 10 times the rate of non-members.

And this is only the beginning. Going forward, we have a robust product roadmap that includes extending these features to our mobile app in both iOS and Android, and integrating hotel and tour recommendations. The rollout of our trip-planning tool is an example of delivering on our strategy to drive deeper engagement with travelers. We've also scaled improvements to our content submission flow UX, and expand it to additional destinations, leveraging AI and ML tools to bring together guidance from our community and our editorial team. As a result, we have seen a lift in traveler saves, new itinerary creation and membership signups.

We also continue to make progress on our group-wide customer data platform, which now has nearly two billion profiles, double the number from last quarter. We tested initial use cases, including how we retarget shoppers across both TripAdvisor experiences and Viator, and saw meaningful uplifts in traffic, engagement, conversion, and revenue. We continue to see strong momentum in our TripAdvisor experiences marketplace, where much of the Q2 growth came from our ability to guide travelers to the experience that best meets their needs. Specifically, we redesigned the traction pages and improved product discovery, exposing over 30% more travelers to bookable experiences than we did in the same period last year.

This is consistent with our strategy to lean harder into TripAdvisor's unique strengths; our breadth of supply across free and paid things to do, combined with our guidance content, while exploring ways to fully leverage Viator's depth of complementary capabilities as the leading bookable experiences platform. We expect that we will be able to extend our ability to match our traveler demand with relevant suppliers to other marketplace categories in the future.

Let's shift to Viator, our high-growth business, where we have been on a mission to drive market leadership and a significant value creation that we believe is available to the category leader. Our teams are executing on this path leveraging all our assets and capabilities across the group to do so, and delivering results that speak for themselves. Across all points of sale, we saw tremendous growth in Q2. Revenue grew 59% year-over-year, which came in higher than our expectations, with gross booking value growing to approximately $1.1 billion or 40% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA loss was just $2 million, which was even better than we expected despite the incremental investments we are making.

Our investment at Viator is delivering immediate and significant revenue growth, and puts us in a position to sustain long-term category leadership. One of our areas of focus has been on driving Viator brand awareness and customer acquisition. We're also delivering meaningful improvements in our repeat rates, with repeat bookers driving outsized growth, which gives us increasing confidence in our unit economics and margin potential over time. We have a tremendous opportunity to drive awareness for the OTA category and experiences, and to build our brand alongside it. We believe we can shift traveler behavior, from an often disjointed booking experience, to Viator, a single, convenient place to see, sort, and book experiences.

We're early into our brand investment, but the signs are positive. Since the launch of our brand advertising, last fall, we're seeing growth in awareness and related metrics like direct traffic and branded searches. This spend is a clear example of our decision to build scale and long-term customer economics despite delayed profitability. We're also focused on enhancing the traveler and operator experience. We're investing to deliver more value across the board in programs aimed at travelers, partners, and suppliers. Ongoing improvements to the critical points in the traveler experience, such as a faster, easier checkout and app improvements are contributing to improved conversion.

We're exploring ways to leverage these gains for our TripAdvisor experiences point of sale, as well as we lean into the complimentary strengths of our brands. We're also listening to operator feedback and making improvements to how we drive value to suppliers. We previously mentioned our supplier program, Accelerate, which now represents more than half of our GBV, and contributes to higher take rates.

Finally, at TheFork, the team achieved 19% revenue growth combined with meaningful year-on-year margin improvement, putting the business on a path to achieve profitability in the back-half of 2023. On the supply side of our marketplace, one of our priorities is to increase the number of quality restaurants on TheFork platform by demonstrating clear value to our restaurant partners. TheFork differentiates through a trusted brand and a loyal relationship with diners. In addition, our ERB software provides restaurants with purpose-built tools, analytics, and marketing promotions that help them drive incremental revenue and margin improvement. Successful sales execution in priority geographic markets combined with improved market conditions relative to last year have driven multiple consecutive months of net restaurant growth.

On the demand side, we continue to focus on enhancements to diner acquisition and repeat engagement that will increase usage on the TheFork platform. Our app continues to be a key channel for profitable growth. And so, far this year we have seen installs grow at over 30% year-on-year. In addition, the portion of bookings from repeat diners across TheFork network is now more than three-quarters of our booking, which we believe will contribute to profitability over time.

As we look to the back-half of the year, we are monitoring the health of the consumer closely. We continue to see consistent patterns that indicate health and travel. Our data from customer behavior on the Tripadvisor site reflects stability across room rates, quality of hotels, and length of stay. Most encouragingly, we continue to see a meaningful opportunity to serve the traveler in search of experiences which is increasingly core to travel planning, with more travels indicating they plan to book experiences ahead of their trip.

We believe this continued interest in travel and experiences bodes well for our vision, strategy, and market position. Before I close, I want to take a moment to thank our teams for their ongoing commitment as we continue to transform our business together. We have encouraging proof points at Tripadvisor, strong growth and market leadership in the experiences category at Viator, and a clear path to profitability at TheFork. We have conviction about the road ahead. None of these paths is easy. And, I am grateful to all our colleagues, who continue to demonstrate strong execution.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike.

Mike Noonan

Thanks Matt, and good morning, everyone. I will review the results of the second quarter including segment commentary and provide some color and expectations for the second-half of the year. All growth rates for 2023 are relative to the comparable period in 2022 unless otherwise indicated.

Now on to Q2, we delivered results that were in line with our expectations for the quarter. Consolidated revenue was $494 million reflecting an 18% growth rate or 19% on a constant currency basis. And adjusted EBITDA was $90 million and represented a margin of 18%. Our results reflect continued strong performance in experiences both at Viator and Tripadvisor Core.

Turning to the segment performance for the second quarter, Tripadvisor Core delivered revenue of $279 million which represented 2% growth. This was in line with our expectations though branded hotels declined more quickly than anticipated, decreasing 7% year-over-year.

Within branded hotels, our hotel B2B offerings performed slightly better than expected. However, in hotel meta, we did see some uneven performance across the geographies. In U.S. and APAC, we performed in line with our expectations of low single digit decline which reflected the anticipated tougher year-over-year comparison. In the U.S., we continue to see strong pricing as a result of solid execution from our team as well as a healthy domestic travel market.

In our European hotel meta, revenue declines were larger than expected due to delayed and lower seasonal peak and increased competition in the paid channels. Although we saw healthier volume trends in July, we did not see our typical season patterns in May and June. Because summer peak season is generally driven by paid channels, the more competitive environment had a greater impact on paid click volumes on our European meta revenue in the quarter.

We specifically chose to maintain our ROAS and prioritized profitability over growth. Our unpaid channels in Europe followed a similar seasonal patterns, but to a lesser extent. Experiences in dining had another strong quarter, growing revenue 43% with experiences growing over 50%. The performance we see with this offering underpins the growth in the category and provides strong evidence of our ability to monetize the reverse traffic at Tripadvisor Core.

Display and platform had a solid quarter with revenue growth of 14% marking another period of consistent backlog growth. Our other offerings, revenue declined by 7% due to continued de-emphasis of our rentals, flights, and cars offering while our cruise offering grew at well over 20% in the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA in Tripadvisor Core was $96 million or 34% of revenue, which was slightly below our expectations for the quarter. And, approximately 8 percentage points lower than last year's comparable period of 42%. A little over half of the margin deleverage is due to the impact of phasing of hiring last year as headcount increases were weighted to the back-half of the year. The remaining margin pressure is due to increased performance marketing from continued growth and expansions as well as the lower hotel meta revenue.

Turning to Viator, revenue was $216 million, reflecting growth of 59%, or 61% on a constant currency basis, which was meaningfully higher than our expectations. Gross bookings value was approximately $1.1 billion and grew approximately 40%. Revenue growth was higher than gross booking growth primarily due to the gross bookings to revenue recognition timing, as well as increased take rates year-over-year. These results were driven not only by strong demand across geographies, but also conversion rate improvements as our teams continue to refine and optimize the customer journey.

Adjusted EBITDA loss at Viator was $2 million, or -1% of segment revenue, one percentage point lower versus Q2 of last year. The deleverage of one percentage point comes largely from the investments and brand spend, which offset the impact of lower performance marketing and headcount costs as a percent of revenue. We started our brand campaigns in the second-half of last year, and we expect to continue for the back-half of the year. We are very pleased with the performance of our marketing spend, which is continuing to deliver new customers at a greater pace than expected. These larger cohorts of new customers are contributing to a rapidly expanding foundation of reliable, repeat bookers. We see that each successive new cohort has higher revenue retention rates, plus with reliable repeat booking behaviors, the result is that we can deliver stable, predictable revenue growth and increasingly profitable bookings.

Repeat bookers tend to spend more as well. Our repeat booker on average purchase more items than the first booker, and at a higher average item value. And repeat bookers come to us through unpaid channels at a higher rate with each successive booking. This customer behavior gives us great confidence that we can achieve very solid long-term margins at Viator. However, today we are focused on building a large and durable leader in the experiences sector. We will continue to invest across all areas of the business, not only in building large profitable customer cohorts, but also in user experience, supply, and in mobile. We are making great progress on all these areas.

At TheFork, revenue was $38 million, and grew 19% or 16% on a constant currency basis. Bookings growth of approximately 5% was impacted by tougher comparison versus last year, due to the timing of brand campaigns as well as strong recovery and post-pandemic dining in last year's comparable period. We are very pleased with the improved trend in profitability. Adjusted EBITDA loss in Q2 was $4 million, or -11% of segment revenue, which is a meaningful improvement over the last year's margin of -22%, especially in light of COVID subsidy benefit we received during the same period last year of $11 million. Drivers of this leverage were lower sales and marketing as a percent of revenue due to the timing of planned brand investment between Q1-Q2 versus last year.

Turning now to consolidated expenses, cost of revenue delevered by about 100 basis points due to the increased waiting of Viator-related COGS as percent of consolidated revenue. These costs include credit card processing fees, which increased with Viator's transaction volume. Sales and marketing expenses delevered by approximately 260 basis points primarily due to an increase in Viator performance marketing and brand spend. Technology and content expenses delevered by approximately 160 basis points, driven by increase in people costs. General and administrative expenses delevered by approximately 280 basis points, driven by people costs and combined benefit in Q2 2022 of $13 million from the fourth COVID subsidy, and to a lesser extent a non-income related benefit in Tripadvisor Core.

Now, on to our cash and liquidity position, free cash flow for the quarter was $90 million, which was down versus $282 million in Q2 of 2022. This year-over-year decline was primarily due to $113 million payment related to the previously disclosed tax settlement with the IRS for the periods of 2009-2011, in addition to a $64 million U.S. Federal Tax refund related to the CARES Act received during Q2 '22 of last year. As we discussed last quarter, we expect to receive a tax refund of approximately $45 million to $55 million from a foreign tax jurisdiction during 2023 as part of the tax settlement.

Regarding total cash flow, we report just 4.7 million shares in the quarter totaling $75 million. We ended the quarter with a strong balance sheet with just over $1.1 billion in cash. Finally, during the quarter, we amended our credit facility of $500 million, extending its maturity to 2028.

I will provide a bit more color on the cost-saving initiatives Matt mentioned in his commentary. As we continue to drive operational transformation across our business, we are embarking on a broad plan to reduce costs. We recently initiated a series of actions that we estimate will yield approximately $35 million in annualized savings, primarily from headcount reductions across various roles at Tripadvisor Core, which includes corporate G&A. Due to the timing of these actions, we expect only modest savings this year as they will more fully benefit us next year, but will allow us to more effectively execute on our stated segment strategies.

As we move through the rest of the year, we will continue to explore areas across the segments for additional savings, which include other discretionary costs and our real estate footprint.

Turning now to thoughts for Q3 and the rest of the year, staring with Q3, for Tripadvisor Core, we expect a low single-digit year-over-year revenue decline driven by the trends we saw in Q2, in particular in branded hotels. In Viator, we expect year-over-year revenue growth in the low-30% range, driven by the monthly step-down through the quarter from Q2 growth rates as we comped very high growth rates last year. In TheFork, we expect year-over-year growth rates to marginally accelerate from the second quarter's levels. On a consolidated basis for Q3, we expect the above assumptions to result in year-over-year growth of close to 10%.

In Tripadvisor Core, despite the meaningful improvements we observed in July within branded hotels, we are taking a prudent approach and planning for greater headwinds based on the trends we saw in Q2 and across hotel meta globally. For Q3 consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin, we're expecting a sequential seasonal improvement in margin but about a 250 to 350 basis point step-down year-over-year due to lower margins at Tripadvisor Core as well as a higher contribution of Viator in the group's consolidated results. For Q3 adjusted EBITDA margin at Tripadvisor Core, we are expecting to see a sequential seasonal improvement, but a step-down of approximately 200 to 300 basis points in margin year-over-year largely due to branded hotels, where we are taking a more prudent outlook based on Q2 trends.

For the full-year, we continue to expect mid-teens consolidated revenue growth. However, this is now driven by a different segment mix, with Viator accounting for more of the growth than previously expected. Finally, we expect consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin to be approximately 150 to 350 basis points lower versus 2022. This implies at Tripadvisor Core to be approximately 200 to 400 basis points lower than 2022 levels, Viator margin to be approximately flat year-over-year as they reinvest upside to drive revenue and market share growth, and TheFork to continue to significantly improve margins year-over-year.

Lastly, we expect the in-year impact from the previously mentioned cost savings initiatives to be largely realized in Q4, and thus will have a minimal benefit to the 2023 fiscal year.

With that, I'll hand the call over to the operator for Q&A.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now conduct question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now we will have Naved Khan from B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Naved Khan

Yes, thanks. Just a few questions for me, maybe just on the core Tripadvisor side of things. Given the outlook for the back-half, of low to mid-single digit decline, how should we be thinking about this segment coming back to growth beyond 2023, just your high-level thoughts there? I know you're not guiding. And then on AI, it's great to see the deployment there into Trips. I'm just wondering about the commercialization opportunities and how aggressively would you look to get that into the motion as well or are you just looking at engagement first, followed by commercialization maybe in a year from now or something like that?

Matt Goldberg

Thanks, Naved. It's Matt. We believe that we are managing through a transformation of our business. And many of the trends we've seen are trends that have been long-known, and we understand them, and we put our strategy in place precisely to deliver diversity and stronger business through a more consumer-focused engagement strategy that we really believe is gaining traction. Now, when we first communicated our strategy, in February, we noted that we didn't expect to see incremental revenue impact in 2023 from the strategy.

We expect to have more concrete information to share as we start to look towards 2024 how are investments are beginning to drive both that engagement and the KPIs which we started to share, the early green shoots and things that are giving us really strong confidence that that engagement can then relate to a financial profile that begins to show the kind of growth that you just asked about. And I would just note that we believe that these strategies are going to have a better use case for the consumer which will bring them to our site more frequently, to stay longer, and to repeat with us more than they have in the past. So, we're really looking at a more targeted, more valuable user and audience.

And we believe that, as we leverage the product innovation that we've been doing and as we really think about the way that we deliver that world-class guidance experience, we can then deliver that user into a set of revenue streams which will include our media business, which is outperforming the market today and continues to make progress, our meta business which we believe can be sustained over a long period although we understand it is not the growth driver, and through our marketplace business which we believe we've already proven what we can do to fuel growth at Viator, and we think we can match our demand with supply in multiple categories over time.

I think the second question was related to AI. And we have a strong focus, with urgency, to execute on AI across our business. And ultimately, we started to show that with the launch of our new trip-planning tool. We think engagement will result from that. I mentioned we're starting to see really good early signs around completion rates, member sign-in, user satisfaction. This is, in fact, the beginning of how we will integrate AI into all of our products and services as we deliver a more personalized, more relevant, more predictive, and more contextual experience that will get people coming back.

Now, we're leveraging AI in multiple ways. Obviously, we're using it for our products and our tools. We're also using it in the way that we power our content. And we're delivering authentic insights that enhances the user experience and are having positive uplift. We think we can use AI in a number of different ways in a differentiated fashion. First of all, we've got proprietary first-party data. We have every interaction from hundreds of millions of visitors that's tracked across multiple touch points and, frankly, is proprietary to us. We have human insights from real travelers and a billion reviews, and we have a trusted brand. And we're known for that world-class guidance in our traveler community.

We think we are unique in our ability to connect those things and combine our first-party data, our reviews, and create a user graph that will be unique, and make that experience better over time. And so, when we think about delivering in our product we think about three things. We think about the authentic content, first-party data, a trusted brand; we have all three, and we think it makes us unique. We will also leverage AI in other ways. We will leverage AI to be more productive. We're already improving our productivity, testing with our engineers. We are going to look at other opportunities in customer service translation, how we think about marketing and creative optimization. We think there's a lot of potential there.

And of course, we want to influence the ecosystem. And so, we are partnering with OpenAI, Microsoft, Google to be there, understand how this ecosystem evolves and, frankly, influence it so that we get our fair share of value. The urgency is in our organization. We are staffing this to do it and it's one of the reasons we wanted to create the flexibility to make sure that we are focused on our highest priority initiatives where we have real conviction. So, thank you for asking about that. We're very excited about it.

Naved Khan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you and one moment for our next question. And now we have Lloyd Walmsley from UBS.

Lloyd Walmsley

Great. All right, great. Thank you. Wanted to just ask about some of the European weakness in the meta business, can you give us a sense of how much of that is kind of on the user side versus the customer side in bidding levels, I think the 10-Q made it seem like CPCs are strong, so maybe more a function of engagement. And then, just going back to the AI question, it sounds like you're seeing some pretty big upticks in I think sign ins and saves. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean by the completion rate getting better.

And then, what have you seen in terms of these cohorts of people ultimately migrating into the hotel funnel? Are you seeing those people eventually monetize or is that more just something you need to integrate hotels to get that level of to connect to monetization. Anything more you can way there would be great. Thanks.

Mike Noonan

Hey Lloyd, it's Mike. I'll take the first part and I think Matt will take the second part. Yes, just a few big points about the Meta business overall and then I'll get to your opinion. I'd say as a reminder, we were expecting declines, right, in the business as we're facing a tough comp [indiscernible] U.S. and APAC performed as expected. And really was this more unusual pattern we saw in Europe. And it really did stem from a very delayed and a more muted seasonal pattern. Our seasonal, as I said in prepared remarks, this seasonal peak season tends to be more paid, traffic driven, and where we saw was just a much more competitive environment in those paid channels.

So, it was more of certainly a volume impact in the quarter in EMEA, we saw some price pressure, too, but it was more of a volume in the paid channels. We reacted accordingly. We chose very specifically to maintain our ROAS and really solve for profitability over growth in this region. I will say that, as I said in July, we saw a nice return, really globally, but we saw it as well in July in Europe as well. But we very much based our outlook for the year on a more view of kind of what we saw for the majority of Q2. And Matt, I'll let you take the second piece.

Matt Goldberg

Yes, thanks, Lloyd. Remember, we just recently launched our AI driven trip planning tool. It went out at the end of June. We scaled it across the U.S. through the web in July. So, it's in early beta, and we're really excited and think that we have a very strong foundation to build on, and we are going to lean into that. Stay with it. Our teams are excited about the product, and we will continue to push it forward.

In terms of what we're seeing, we have seen that I mentioned completion rates. What that means is the rate at which users are providing the full set of inputs to generate an itinerary has been double what we've seen in the historical average for things like quizzes and other times where we are asking consumers to provide structured inputs. Now to sign in, you have to be a member to use it. So, the sign in rate at which users are coming in is four times the site wide average. And this is really good because if it drives membership login, that is core to our strategy, that provides us with an understanding of the consumer. We can be more personalized. We understand how to deliver a better overall experience.

And of course, with these kinds of tools, the more that they get used, the better the models are. And they are trained. We have a mix of LLMs and we're trying to approach it to deliver the best experience we can, training it on our data and our content. And so, the user satisfaction is promising. You asked about monetization. We believe starting with engagement will drive monetization and the more time that people spend on the site, the better we can connect our demand to supply.

In the beta version, we did not focus initially on monetization. So, we will add over the coming quarters, hotels, bookable tours and we'll be able to drive that user into the hotel flow, whether it be to look at prices in Meta or to think about hotel as a category and serve up multiple products and services that get the consumer to the right hotel and really benefit our partners. So we think this is a really good first step and as we collect more learnings as we roll it out, we think the monetization opportunities will be meaningful.

Lloyd Walmsley

Okay, if I can sneak in a follow-in, Mike, are you seeing any impact of these European search competition? Is any of this from the Google search changes? Is that something you think?

Mike Noonan

Yes, I think we've seen some of the chatter on this, from our perspective, there's nothing really new there. If you talk about the Carousel ads, that's a product that's been around for a while that we've been participating in. So, that's kind of point one that leads us to say that's not, point two, that's a global product. And as we said before, U.S. and rest of the world acted was in line with expectation. It's really more of a European thing. So, we didn't see anything from a Google product perspective that we attributed the European performance to.

Lloyd Walmsley

Okay, thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. We will have our next question. Now we will have Richard Clarke from Bernstein. Please go ahead with your question.

Richard Clarke

Hi, thanks. Good morning. A couple of questions if I can on margin, just firstly on the -- missed your prior guidance on Core, just trying to square that with your comment about focusing on return on advertising spend. Is that therefore more down to mix to the E&D division within Core? How much of a headwind does that give you? And then, secondly, just wanted to ask about the Viator kind of long-term margin outlook. And the prior management team used to talk about 20% margins, when we try and run cost versus revenue for Viator it looks like maybe you're heading more towards sort of 10 or low double-digit margins. So, just any thoughts on where you think Viator ultimately might be able to come out on margin?

Mike Noonan

Great. Hey Richard. Yes, just on the Core miss, I would say while we were targeting and did have stable ROAS globally in our Meta product, we did see from a contribution margin perspective lower dollars from the Meta, particularly in Europe. So that had an impact on the margin as well as, as you said from a secondary perspective some incremental investment or investments in the mix from the experiences business at Core but it was really more around those lower dollars that's contributing to the margin.

In terms of Viator long-term outlook, when we sit and look at this business, we see no reason why this business can't achieve OTA like margins in the long-term. When you think about the marketplace and we look at the correlations with other similar OTAs in the market we don't see that there's really a difference in margin structure. I think we're going to stop short of saying when that happens. Because we do recognize, and I think we've been consistent on this, is that we really want to be thinking about how we create a long-term durable player and leader in this category. And we're very focused on thinking about what we've talked about several quarters. We know there is an investment in a new user. We see the data that that new user, if they come back to us is more profitable and they stick with us longer, right.

So, that is a pattern that we think is very important. We do recognize that scale is very important in this business. It's a keyway we are able to leverage our cost structure and not just fixed costs, but variable costs. When you think about payments, credit card processing, customer service, that really are scale benefits that are very, very important to, I think unlocking those long-term margins. So, we are very focused on the unit economics of the acquisition cohorts we are engaged in today and we'll continue to manage this, we believe prudently along a long-term glide path to getting to achieving those margins.

Richard Clarke

Makes sense. Thanks very much.

Mike Noonan

Thanks Richard.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Ronald Josey from Citi.

James Michael

Hi, this is James Michael on for Ron. On Viator, in context of the strong growth you've seen in experiences clearly backed by brand investments, can you talk about the ROAS you're seeing on these ad dollars? And then, second, any changes to the competitive landscape for experiences overall?

Mike Noonan

Sure. Hey, I'll take the brand question. Putting brand investment in ROAS is very difficult. Brand is an investment we think more of a midterm to long-term investment in awareness. That awareness benefits us along many dimensions, but it doesn't drive necessarily users right away to our platforms. But it does promote again, awareness. It promotes effectiveness in the paid channels, it promotes direct behavior, all of which are very, very important for long-term health.

And quite frankly, it helps us think about how we diversify our channel mix over time, right. So, we're making investments in brand today for long-term channel diversification, which we think is very important. So in traditional sense, measuring ROAS is very challenging. How we do measure it? We do measure it across various categories, some qualitative, some quantitative. On the quantitative side, we certainly are looking at how does our branded search terms, how are they trending, which they are trending favorably.

We do look at performance statistics of conversion rates because there are added benefits, as I said to that before, of awareness and coming into the funnel and actually converting in the funnel, which is very important. We look at qualitative things which are around brand surveys, unaided, aided brand awareness, all these things we use really as a mosaic to think about effectiveness of this brand spend away from a kind of a traditional ROAS. But we're very focused on measurement of brand spend, and we'll continue to do so. And on the second point, I'll talk…

Matt Goldberg

Yes, on the competitive context, there's no doubt that the Experiences space is a competitive space with a dynamic, that there are a number of players going after a very big TAM.

Now, it's a difficult space, and you've seen competitors come in and back off. What you've seen is the emergence of a number of regional players who are starting from one region and thinking about how they want to get global. We believe that we're very well positioned with the combination of two brands that can serve the Experiences traveler in different ways, right? So Tripadvisor and our strategy is all about doing guidance that gets you to the place that you want to make it happen.

At that point and that's a broad, by the way, that's a broad experience multi-category. But when somebody is looking for experience, we should be able to understand it. And you're looking for a place to go, we should be able to offer you the things that are most relevant to you and what you're looking for, given your behaviors of the past and your stated intent, what Viator delivers is that right, that ability to be the preeminent booking platform and the two together, I think is reflective of that kind of marketplace economics we've been talking about.

And we're starting to see how together they are really driving meaningful growth. So, I'm not surprised that the competitive dynamic and what everybody else chooses to do doesn't influence what we are trying to do, because we are trying to use all of our capability and manage prudently and thoughtfully so that we can be the leader in the category and bring it together on behalf of the traveler. And we think we'll get rewarded for that over the long-term.

James Michael

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Jed Kelly from Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Jed Kelly

Hey, great. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the headcount reductions, can you speak to just -- how this will impact your ability to make a - sorry, to make Viator better and to innovate around Tripadvisor Core? And then, just on the -- just with Viator, can you talk you about the difference between gap in gross booking growth and revenue growth? That gap has widened. Can you speak those trends? Thank you.

Matt Goldberg

Thanks, Jed. Let me start with the cost savings. This is part of our transformation work. And, it is very much about creating the flexibility to invest in our strategic priorities this year and next. And so, we are looking at how we allocate resources and creating the space to go after the biggest market opportunities. It has no impact on Viator. We are focused on our core business and making sure that we can continue to deliver the promising momentum that we have shared over the last quarter or two. And so, that is the most important piece of this. And, we have conviction in our strategy. This action reflects how we want to continue to support it. And of course, we want to be disciplined in the choices that we make.

Mike Noonan

Yes, Jed, on the gap at Viator between gross booking growth and revenue, we touched upon it little bit in my prepared remarks. But, the two biggest driver or the two drivers are the book -- rev rec timing and as well as the margin piece. Now, the margin that Matt alluded to, we have seen continued year-over-year improvements in the take rates. And that is across various reasons.

Biggest reason is what we've talked it. Accelerated program, a very important tool for our suppliers to utilize how they advertise on our platform. And are purposefully choosing to manage how they want to pay and advertise. So, that's a very important tool that has been very productive for our suppliers. That's been a piece of the gap. The other piece is just the timing, right? And I think, we've been -- our growth rate has been coming down from very high growth rate. And with that, you will see that difference in the booking to the rev-rec timing. So, it's really just the accounting timing between the booking and the actual experience itself.

Jed Kelly

Thank you.

Mike Noonan

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next [technical difficulty] Mario Lu from Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Mario Lu

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. The first one is on Tripadvisor Core. Just curious if you can help us frame how we should think about the long-term EBITDA margin, especially, after [layer in] (ph) the announced cost savings. When we compare that to say pre-COVID levels, is it just structurally different now going forward now that the experiences is the larger percentage?

Mike Noonan

Yes. Hi, Mario. I think that's right. Now, I will stop short of giving any specifics as we move in the back-half of the year. And obviously, we will get in the next year and long-term planning. If you are really comparing against pre-pandemic, which I would say is many years ago, and we have talked about this business is different in a lot of ways for this two factors that you mentioned, right? One, from the option perspective, just that mix between the paid and free traffic has been a headwind in margins. And that has been structural in the business since pre-pandemic. And two, is the growth in experiences where we certainly have been making more investments at Tripadvisor Core for paid traffic to come and come to the site. So, those are the two factors as you mentioned that would be - has caused the headwind versus pre-pandemic times.

Matt Goldberg

And I would just add, the mix coming into the business is different. And over time, our strategy will deliver a mix that we think will be healthy in terms of profit and revenue growth.

Mario Lu

Okay. Just follow-up on Viator as pretty large outperformance this quarter on the revenue side, not as much deceleration last couple of months on the quarter, so, any key geos or categories to call out that kind of drove this outperformance?

Matt Goldberg

Yes, I will just say we were very pleased with the performance in the quarter. It did outperform our expectations. I think the Viator brand is obviously -- its biggest market is the U.S. and North America, and we continue to see a very healthy travel market here in the U.S., we saw very healthy international travel in North America to Europe. That was a very strong area for us. And I think that Viator did a very good job of leaning into that demand, and fulfilling customer needs and helping its suppliers advertise effectively on its platform to find that customer demand. So, yes, I think that's right. I think as we move into the back-half of the year we are going to comp 100 plus percent growth rates last year, we think that we acknowledge those are tougher comps, and you are moving into the back-half of the year away from peak travel. And so, our guide reflects that. Otherwise very healthy business and we are very pleased with the performance.

Mike Noonan

I would just add a couple of things for texture. The experience traveler is -- they are taking bigger more expensive trips, right, so that's some of the international stuff we have seen. And so, that's been driving some growth. And I think there are some categories that are really exploding, which I find fascinating, you know, cultural and theme tours, food and wine, outdoor activities, all really good growth. And so, when you can offer the largest set of inventory of experiences in the world, you can really allow those categories to drive a really healthy growth for the traveler.

Mario Lu

Great, thank you, both.

Matt Goldberg

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Stephen Ju from Credit Suisse.

Stephen Ju

Okay, thank you so much. So, I wanted to follow-up about your commentary about the rise in repeat transactions for Viator. That does sound like increasing customer lifetime value. So, I was wondering if you can elaborate a little bit in terms of specific product updates, you have to drive that, or do you think you're benefiting from increased awareness from the brand campaigns you are running? Thanks.

Mike Noonan

Yes, I will start, and I will let Matt chime in the end if he needs. But I think, Stephen, it's a great question, it is a very important stat that we are very focused on here in the company, because it does inform how you think about bidding for new users, as you said, on LTV basis. And it all stands from as the most basic level it's around everything in the product, right? So, when we bring you in, and you signed up for your product, it's having a great experience, it's ease of payment, it's great customer service, there is a problem, right? So, all these things we have to nail the product experience first and foremost, right. And that person exited bad experience with a great experience. And to say that this is something that I really enjoyed and wanted to do again. Then I think it is important around the brand awareness, and how we are then -- our ability to remarket and reengage with those users. So, really goes across all the things that Viator is doing, product experience, customer experience, and then how we then keep engaged with that user. And I'd tell you the more we are doing ties into the CDP work we are working on, the more data we have around the individuals, the more customized we can be, the more customized we can be that means we are just going to offer unique and differentiated things on a personalized customized basis that others just can't do in the category. So, we are very excited about that.

Matt Goldberg

The Viator team is so focused on making people know who they are and how they can serve them, once they get them in they're making the experience easier, more enjoyable to book across the whole booking lifecycle, so matter the device. They are doing foundational work to make sure that the power and speed or our tech is delivering. They were moving friction. They are thinking about loyalty, and making sure that people come back over and over. And so, I think they're very focused, and their strategy is clear, they're focused on conversion, repeat, making sure that experience is great, creating more value for operators, and delivering an affiliate program that is the best in the world. So, they really are clear on what they're aiming to deliver. And I think the results are materializing.

Stephen Ju

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for your next question. Brian Fitzgerald, Wells Fargo.

Brian Fitzgerald

Yes, I just ripped a little bit off of Stephen's question. I think shouldn't the prepared remarks make more Viator bookings come from paid channel right now. Is the -- did I hear that right, is the second [derivative] (ph) of that increasing or decreasing, I assume it's decreasing, so it's decelerating. And so, if you could unpack that a bit, just what you are seeing in terms of travelers and/or events that are coming through the pay channel, because you clearly have really good repeat rates, and so, I would imagine the paid channels is getting less important to Viator.

Mike Noonan

Yes, I think Brian, let me clarify that statement. I think, yes, I don't think we said we had more through the pay channels. I would say -- what we did say when you repeat through us, you tend to come back to us through unpaid channels, right. You skew the non-paid channels, just to be clear on the statement. And just overall from a channel philosophy, the paid channels are important, right, it's a great way to us to find that new incremental user. And that's what we are very focused on having effective acquisition of that new user, realizing that gives us the chance to bring that user back on a repeat basis through what we hope and what we -- I have seen the data through more effective and efficient channels. So, I wouldn't necessarily say there is a difference in the channels with different products or different -- or experiences, but just want to clarify I think what we said on the call.

Brian Fitzgerald

Okay, thank you.

Mike Noonan

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Kevin Kopelman, TD Cowen.

Kevin Kopelman

Great, thanks. I had a follow-up on earlier question, just a question on the $35 million cost savings or cost cut that you have that you will get the benefit of that next year, do you see that as a way to make up the core EBITDA shortfall next year and get the core margin back into that kind of 35%-36% range, or is it more just to pave the way for more reinvestment and core advertising to get that tightening going again? Thanks.

Mike Noonan

Yes. Hi, Kevin. Yes, I would say, I guess more of the later, I mean the headcount reduction was really more around how do we preserve flexibility, how do we preserve investment in the strategy that we believe is transformative to the business. I'm going to stop short of trying to say what margins are going to be next year. There is time to develop that and talk about that later. But it's really not around a margin solved, it's around how do we create the space and flexibility to continue to operate in this strategy and execute on a strategy.

Kevin Kopelman

Thanks, Mike, that's helpful. I appreciate it.

Mike Noonan

Thank you.

Operator

So, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Matt Goldberg, CEO, for closing remarks. Thank you.

Matt Goldberg

Thanks everyone for joining us today. We believe we are making good progress on our stated strategies across each of our segments, and we look forward to sharing our next update with you next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.