West Pharmaceutical Services, Inc. (NYSE:WST) Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call October 26, 2023 9:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Quintin Lai - Vice President of Investor Relations
Eric Green - President & Chief Executive Officer

Conference Call Participants

Paul Knight - KeyBanc Capital Markets
Larry Solow - CJS Securities
Jacob Johnson - Stephens
John Sourbeer - UBS
Matt Larew - William Blair
David Windley - Jefferies
Justin Bowers - Deutsche Bank
Derik De Bruin - Bank of America

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Third Quarter 2023 West Pharmaceutical Services Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakes' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Quintin Lai, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Quintin Lai

Thank you, Michelle. Good morning, and welcome to West's Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. We issued our financial results this morning and the release has been posted in the Investors section on the company's website located at westpharma.com. This morning, we will review our financial results, provide an update on our business and present an update on our financial outlook for the full year 2023. There is a slide presentation that accompanies today's call and a copy of that presentation is available on the Investors section of our website.

On Slide 4 is our Safe Harbor Statement. Statements made by management on this call and in the accompanying presentation, contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of U.S. federal securities law. These statements are based on our beliefs and assumptions, current expectations, estimates and forecasts. The company's future results are influenced by many factors beyond the control of the company. Actual results could differ materially from past results as well as those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statement made here. Please refer to today's press release as well as any other disclosures made by the company regarding the risks to which it is subject including our 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K reports.

During today's call, management will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures including organic sales growth, adjusted operating profit, adjusted operating profit margin and adjusted diluted EPS. Reconciliations and limitations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable financial results prepared in conformity to GAAP are provided in this morning's earnings release.

I now turn over the call to our CEO, Eric Green.

Eric Green

Great. Thank you, Quintin and good morning everyone. Thanks for joining us today. Due to an unexpected family emergency back in Ireland, Bernard cannot participate today. I appreciate your understanding. Quintin will step in for Bernard. We'd like to begin by addressing the ongoing situation in Israel. Our top priority and focus remains on the safety and well-being of our team members and their families that live and work in the region.

Now, let's turn to Slide 5 and the Q3 performance. I am pleased to report that our team delivered a solid third quarter. Our ongoing success can be attributed to our well-established market-led growth strategy, which allows us to take full advantage of our solid base customer demand and recent capacity expansions. And it is the strength of our One West team who I'd like to thank that make us -- make a meaningful difference to ensuring our customers have reliable supply of components necessary to deliver drugs to patients.

In the third quarter, we had solid organic net sales growth of 5.7% with an approximate $78 million year-over-year decrease and COVID-19-related sales. Our base organic sales growth exceeded 20% for both the Enterprise and our Proprietary Products segment.

Shifting to Slide 6. In proprietary products, we had strong base demand of HVP components and devices. We continue to see certain customers experiencing strong uptake of their drugs, as they accelerate and increase their replenishment orders with us. The greater than 20% growth in our base business was again led by our Biologics market unit, which had very strong double-digit growth in the quarter excluding the impact of COVID-19-related sales. And as we have seen through much of the year, we also had accelerated growth from restocking long lead time HVP components that we've been able to produce through our capacity expansions. This fueled growth in our generics and pharma market units.

During September and October, we have started to see an increase in inventory management trends by certain large pharma and generic customers, especially for our standard products, as they manage their safety stocks for the remainder of the year. These issues have led us to temper our fourth quarter organic sales growth to 2% to 3%. Excluding COVID-related sales, we expect double-digit overall organic sales growth and double-digit proprietary product sales growth for the quarter. And we continue to monitor the situation in Israel and currently do not expect any impact on our ability to manufacture and ship out of the country.

As in prior years, we will provide our formal 2024 guidance on our upcoming February Q4 call. In a bit of a preview, despite the inventory management we are seeing by some of our large customers, we continue to expect to deliver our financial construct of 7% to 9% organic sales growth and 100 basis points of operating margin expansion. In addition, we anticipate that our pandemic-related sales are at a point where we will no longer have to separate our base performance in 2024.

Lastly, a key aspect of our growth strategy and market leadership is West's team of scientific thought leaders and technical experts. They continue to advance the care for patients with our customers through valuable insights to address the changing needs of more complex molecules and combination products. For example, at the recent PDA conference and CPHI Worldwide Conference, several of our West experts delivered insightful presentations about the revised regulatory standards and emphasis on the development of sustainable products.

Now, I'll turn the call over to Quintin, who will go into more detail from the quarter. Quintin?

Quintin Lai

Thank you, Eric and good morning. Let's review the numbers in more detail. We'll first look at Q3 2023 revenues and profits where we saw a mid-single-digit increase in organic net sales growth, an increase in diluted EPS and a decline in operating profit compared to the third quarter of 2022. I will also take you through the drivers impacting sales and margin in the quarter as well as some balance sheet takeaways. And finally, we'll provide an update to our 2023 guidance.

First up, Q3. Our financial results are summarized on slide 7 and a reconciliation of non-U.S. GAAP measures are described in slides 16 to 20. We reported net sales of $747.4 million, representing organic sales growth of 5.7%. COVID-related net revenues are estimated to have been approximately $18 million in the quarter, a decline of $78 million compared to the same period last year.

Looking at slide 8. Q3 proprietary products organic net sales increased 3.2%. High-value products, which made up approximately 76% of Proprietary Products segment sales, grew by mid-single-digits led by customer demand for HPV components and devices. Taking a look at the performance of the market units, including the negative impact from a reduction of COVID-19-related sales, the Generics market unit delivered high single-digit growth and the Pharma market unit experienced low-single-digit growth both led by Westar components and Admin Systems.

The Biologics market unit also saw low-single-digit growth driven by sales of Flurotec components and self-injection delivery devices. Our Contract Manufacturing segment experienced double-digit net sales organic sales growth led by an increase in components and sales of components related to injection-related devices and healthcare diagnostic devices. Our adjusted operating profit margin of 24.2% was a 290 basis point decrease from the same period last year. Finally, adjusted diluted EPS increased 6.4% for Q3, excluding stock-based compensation, tax benefit, adjusted diluted EPS increased by 1% compared to last year.

Now let's review the drivers in both our revenue and profit performance. On slide 9, we show the contribution to organic sales growth in the quarter. Sales price increases contributed $46.2 million or 6.8 percentage points of growth in the quarter. Foreign currency tailwind was approximately $25.1 million or 3.7 percentage points of growth. Overall mix and volume negatively impacted sales by $7.3 million. This includes an approximate $78 million reduction in COVID-19-related net demand, partially offset by positive volume and mix contribution from our non-COVID base business.

Looking at margin performance. Slide 10 shows our consolidated gross profit margin of 38.6% for Q3, down from 39.0% in the same period last year. Proprietary Products third quarter gross profit margin of 43.4% was 20 basis points lower than margin achieved in the same period last year.

The key driver for the decline in Proprietary Products gross profit margin was an unfavorable mix from a reduction in sales related to COVID-19 vaccines offset by sales price increases that offset inflationary cost pressures in our plants. Contract Manufacturing, third quarter gross profit margin of 18.6% was 130 basis points higher than the margin achieved in the third quarter of last year due to a favorable mix of products sold and increased sale prices offset by inflationary pressures on our plant labor costs.

Now let's look at our balance sheet and review how we've done in terms of generating cash for the business. On slide 11, we have listed some key cash flow metrics. Operating cash flow was $537.4 million for the first nine months of 2023. An increase of $44.2 million compared to the same period last year a 9% increase, primarily due to improvement in working capital. Our third quarter 2023 year-to-date capital spending was $253.3 million, $63.6 million higher than the same period last year. We continue to leverage our CapEx to increase our high-value product manufacturing capacity.

Working capital of approximately $1.44 billion at September 30, 2023 increased by $38.3 million from December 31, 2022, primarily due to growth in our current assets offset by an increase in our current portion of long-term debt.

Our cash balance at September 30, 2023 was $898.6 million, and was $4.3 million higher than our December 2022 balance. The small increase in cash is primarily driven by positive operating results offset by increased repurchases under our share repurchase program and higher CapEx.

Turning to guidance. Slide 12 provides a high-level summary. We're updating our full year 2023 net sales guidance and expect net sales to be in a range of $2.95 billion to $2.96 billion compared to a prior guidance range of $2.97 billion to $2.995 billion. There is an estimated full year 2023 tailwind of $20 million based on current FX rates unchanged from prior guidance. We expect organic sales to be approximately 2% to 3% for the full year compared to the prior guidance range of 3% to 4%. We are raising our full year 2023 adjusted diluted EPS guidance to be in a range of $7.95 to $8 compared to a prior range of $7.65 to $7.80.

Also, our CapEx guidance is $350 million for the year unchanged from prior guidance. There are some key elements I want to bring to your attention. We have lowered our revenue guidance to reflect the recent trend with certain pharma and generic customers slowing their restocking of inventory, and increased inventory management as we head into the end of the year. We expect full year COVID-19 related sales to be approximately $68 million compared to prior guide of $60 million.

Net sales guidance also includes a reduction of $8 million, resulting from a divestiture of a European facility that produce standard Proprietary Products and this is unchanged from prior guidance. Full year 2023 adjusted diluted EPS range, includes an FX tailwind of approximately $0.07 based on current FX exchange rates compared to prior guidance of a tailwind of $0.05.

The updated guidance also includes EPS of $0.41 associated with year-to-date 2023 tax benefits from stock base comp. Our guidance excludes future tax benefits from stock-based compensation.

I would like to highlight that over the last five years our base business growth excluding COVID-19 has been within or above our construct of annual -- organic revenue growth of 7% to 9%. And over the same time period, we've averaged our annual operating margin expansion of over 100 basis points.

As Eric mentioned earlier, we are providing a preliminary look to 2024. Based on current trends in demand we anticipate that West will again be within our long-range financial construct of organic sales growth and operating profit margin expansion. As usual, we'll provide more detailed guidance on 2024 in our February call.

I'd like to turn the call back over to Eric.

Eric Green

Thank you, Quintin. To summarize on slide 13. We had a solid Q3 performance and are on track for double-digit base organic sales growth in Q4. Our base business remains strong which is a testament to the durability of the foundation we have built over time. We are proud to serve as a valuable trusted partner for customers to support patient health and look forward to continue to play a critical role in delivering health care well into the future. Michelle, we're ready to take questions. Thank you.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is going to come from the line of Paul Knight with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Paul Knight

Hi, Eric, hi, Quintin. You mentioned this stocking issue was kind of in the standard products category which leads to the question of -- in the high-value product category are you -- obviously, we know you're supplying GLP-1 products. But are you capacity constrained on that side of the business? If you could talk to that issue and how big is GLP 1 if you can or will? And then lastly, these CapEx numbers what facilities open next year? Thanks.

Eric Green

Great. Thank you for the question, Paul, and good morning. Let's start with the GLP-1 question. If you look at -- we serve that space in both areas of our business Proprietary Products with our elastomer components, specifically in that space you'll see HVP plungers. And then in the Contract Manufacturing space, we support that our customers and the GLP-1s with auto-injectors. So I would say today from our perspective, we're not capacity constrained. We're able to releverage some of the assets that we had that we put in place for COVID, a lot of that technology and we also leverage our global network. And so we'll see -- we'll be able to continue to ramp, particularly on the elastomer space HVP plungers to be able to support our customers as new drug molecules are approved and launched across the globe.

On the CM side, we have -- we are currently producing auto injectors into the market and we've been asked to expand capacity, which we've actually put expansions in place and they're ongoing. It will take several quarters to get completed and validated throughout let's call it throughout 2024. And particularly those sites that we're referring to Paul, is Dublin and also Grand Rapids Michigan. So, significant investments in those two areas.

On the -- from a market size perspective of GLP-1, we don't -- we haven't commented. We still will not we would say that from a volume perspective, I would focus from our customers on how they communicate their expectations. But I can assure you that we're working with them to ensure that we are not and will not be the bottleneck as we continue to grow in that space for a number of years to come.

In regards to the restocking, you're absolutely correct. It's not as much in the HVP area. It tends to be -- it is really around our standard products. It's in categories around disposable medical devices. This tends to be the standard elastomer components. And we're being asked to divert some of those orders into 2024. So that's the cadence. It's not a loss of share and we continue to have a very healthy win ratio of new approved molecules, particularly in biologics. And so our position from a market position hasn't changed, but it is just the timing of inventory management with a few select customers.

Operator

Thank you. And we’ll move on to our next question. One moment please. Our next question is going to come from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Larry Solow

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess first question Eric is just a little bit of a slowdown in Proprietary products just seasonally and I know you guys were increasing capacity. So, I'm just curious I thought we were going to kind of trend up. Is there just a little bit more of a return to some seasonality you're seeing? I know Q3 historically pre-COVID was kind of a little bit slower. The last few years have obviously been kind of -- I think that's been throughout the window. But are we kind of getting back to some of that and maybe that kind of goes in hand with inventory management too where now supply chains are maybe somewhat normalized, so some of the larger customers have the ability to manage our inventory better as well?

Eric Green

Yes Larry, thanks for the question. First of all, I'll pass on your remarks to Bernard a little bit later. In regards to the inventory management, what we're seeing -- it's not really -- it's not seasonality, it's more around timing of orders. So, if we think about the investments we're making and I know Paul earlier asked about specific capital investments in different plants. And most of our investments, about two-thirds, let's call it two-thirds of our CapEx is around growth orientation.

Right now, there's a heavy emphasis around HVP, particularly on plungers. And also in the CM side, it's been a little bit larger than typical because of the supporting some of the new drug launches coming down the road. But we're seeing some of the -- and so those investments are going to be at our major HVP sites and I already commented on which sites for CM.

In regards to timing of the orders and it's not seasonality. It also is the timing of customer production schedules. So, what I would look at is Q3 with 20% base organic growth and the comments that biologics don't give the number, but was led that, so it's obviously above. That is really new molecules in the market and success of those existing components -- I'm sorry molecules in the market already. And so the demand continues to be layered on top.

We -- in Kinston site as an example, we've installed new capacity for NovaPure plungers. We've been ramping that up through Q3 and we'll also do that through Q4 and we should be able to relieve the backorder situation by the end of this year and we'll be in a very good position to be able to service our customers effectively throughout 2024 in the fastest area of growth. So, hopefully that gives you some context Larry of what we're seeing around product -- standard products in the market.

Larry Solow

Got you. Great. Just shifting gears just one follow-up just on the high solution -- getting a good leeway into that. Obviously that continues to be the driver and it sounds like there hasn't been much slowdown any there.

Just in terms of just I think you said it was greater than 75% in the quarter for revenue. Can you remind us approximately what it was last year? And more importantly, just I know it's a lot lower on volume. Can you just give us a kind of a guesstimate on where it is on a volume basis and -- I imagine NovaPure still remains a minority piece of that and that sounds like that's potentially will be the fastest growing piece going forward. So, any color there would be great. Thanks.

Quintin Lai

Yes Larry I can't recall I'll have to get back to you on what it was as a percent of sales last year somewhere around 70% or plus or minus. We have seen growth year-on-year. And it's a combination of volume mix and price that have driven the year-on-year growth.

And if you think about it when some of the new drugs that Eric has mentioned that incremental volume of those drug successes typically come at our higher end of HVP like NovaPure. And so therefore it has a bigger impact. So it may not have as big a volume as much as mix impact for us.

Eric Green

And one additional comment the algorithm Larry of you think about the growth of HVP in the double digits that requires about 100 basis points increase year-over-year of volume for HVP. So we're still in the 23% 24% corridor from a volume perspective. But -- because the way that Quintin articulated the ASP margins it's actually quite a significant impact on the overall portfolio.

Larry Solow

Got it. Appreciate the color. Thanks.

Eric Green

Thanks Larry.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is going to come from the line of Jacob Johnson with Stephens. Your line is open, please go ahead.

Jacob Johnson

Hey thanks. Good morning and my best to Bernard as well. I guess I'll stick with the popular subject in the morning. Maybe just first going back to the restocking dynamic you call it out as a slowdown in restocking trends. I'm just curious kind of what surprised you about this? Is it a lack of restocking and customers not going to as high as safety stock as you would have expected? Or is it some destocking not to get too caught up in the vernacular here.

And then the other piece of that is just Eric you mentioned growing next year despite that inventory management. How should we how long should we think about this dynamic persisting?

Eric Green

You want to cover the first part?

Quintin Lai

Sure. So, Jacob, I'll give you an example. We -- at the start of the year we had customers putting orders in for Q4 that based on where we were in our capacity and our ability to deliver we said we're going to have to get it to you next year. I mean that's the lead time issue that we had and we had those type of discussions.

As our teams have done a fantastic job of getting added and increasing the capacity we got over the issues that we had last year in terms of some of the issues of installing that some of the HPV processing capacity in one of our sites. We've built on new facilities in Kinston and in other areas. We were able to start to clear some of that backlog.

And then we were able to go to those customers and said hey we're going to be able to now deliver like you said originally for the end of the year. And what they came back to us and said now we're good. We've already reset our manufacturing schedules. We're going to just take it here in 2024 instead.

And so what we thought we were going to be able to do and handle it because now we've got that additional capacity and help restock them now it's just a matter of timing. So, that just gives you an example of some of the things that we've seen as the years progress. Eric?

Eric Green

Absolutely. And I think the last aspect around this is that if you think about the dynamics of this long term what we're speaking with customers on it is really is the rescheduling of their production lines and the need of the product.

So, that's why we are -- we've given indication and we're not giving we're not giving the full guidance today but we've given an indication that 7% 9% corridor of the topline growth is and being led by HVP and it's been led by Biologics. And we're putting COVID into the number. So that gives you kind of dynamics that we're seeing right now. So, we should this is a temporary situation.

Jacob Johnson

Okay, that's helpful. And then Eric you were just talking about the Kinston capacity ramping in 3Q and 4Q. And you kind of mentioned that you would catch-up on maybe some back orders or something like that, if I heard you correctly.

I'm just curious as it relates to that market do you think containment solutions have been a bottleneck for the ramp of some of these drugs? And is this something that as you get caught up on we should expect Kinston to ramp pretty well in 4Q and maybe into early next year?

Eric Green

Yeah. I would say no, we're not the bottleneck to be clear. And some of these drug launches, we would state that we have been able to navigate and manage through. I was just -- before this call we were just kind of doing another review of the customers that are coming out of that Kinston plant for particularly NovaPure plungers. And it's quite a few customers.

So it's not one molecule, it's not one customer. It's multiple. And they're ramping up for 2024 campaigns. So we're excited about where we are. But I would say right now we're not the bottleneck. It's just -- it goes back to what we spoke about earlier is that we would like to -- they would like to see better -- stronger safety stocks at their own -- in their own pipeline.

But we do know that there's, some other issues that we see but that's not for us to discuss of some of these launches. But I would say we're not the bottleneck. We've got the investments put in place. It's validated.

The customers are very satisfied with the quality of the product from our Kinston facility and we have capacity to continue to grow and support frankly the biologic launches. And these are the areas around oncology, autoimmune, immunology I mean these are exciting areas for us. And I think we're well positioned for the future, particularly out of that plant.

Jacob Johnson

Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.

Eric Green

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment while we move to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of John Sourbeer with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

John Sourbeer

Good morning and best to Bernard. I guess, just starting off on GLP-1s just any additional color or even maybe broader biologics, but how do you see this market evolving maybe between auto-injectors and multi-dose pens and maybe GLP-1s, more specifically just any thoughts on potential transition to more oral products there?

Eric Green

Yeah. No. It's -- I don't want to be putting -- speaking on behalf of my customers, we've got to be careful here. So what we're prepared to do for them is will continue to be the primary the key manufacturer of elastomer components, that go into several of these auto injectors and other modalities.

And so from elastomer position we're very encouraged with our HVP plunger portfolio. And we're able to support them on the demand and then actually stay ahead of the demand with our manufacturing capabilities.

We mentioned a little bit earlier today that some of the assets we put in for COVID are actually fungible for this not just for GLP-1, but for HVP in general. I think in regards to multi-use pens again I would refer to our customers in that discussion.

But from our point of view we participate in all. And we are the market leader in injectable medicines. Now, we don't participate in oral. And that is the uptake of oral the effectiveness of oral that -- those are all discussions I would really encourage you to speak with our customers on it directly.

But as the injectable space continues to grow in GLP-1, as new molecules are approved and launched where -- and the investments we're making both on the Proprietary and CM side, we have a good visibility of cadence of what we're being asked to build support through our global network to support the demand.

I'll just be clear one other aspect is on the Proprietary side, we always enjoy a very high participation rate. On the CM side, we've been very clear that our customers are looking at multiple suppliers to support them and we're one of them. So we're positioned very well on both sides of the business. Hopefully that gives you some context of what we're seeing.

John Sourbeer

Yeah. Thanks. Appreciate the color there. And also just looking to the high-level framing around next year, you've had pretty strong pricing this year I think in the 5% to 6% range. Just any color on what you think pricing could look -- shake out to for 2024?

Eric Green

Yeah. I won't give exact at this point, because we are still working through our details and we have been in discussions with customers. I think one thing to think about, you're right. This year we were communicating between 5% to 6% net price realization.

I think we're clearly in that corridor on the upper-end and which is positive when you think about the inflationary pressures that all of us around the world are faced with. And we were able to offset majority of that pressure.

We are taking consideration of additional inflation if, what that would look like for next year. So just to give you a little context of how we look at this and that will help us, inform our decision about exactly what corridor we're going to be in.

But I would say -- I can say here that the historic, I'm talking a few years ago when we were at sub-1% or between 1% and 2%, I believe that's behind us. We do think we're in a better position to capture, more price going forward.

John Sourbeer

Thanks Eric. And then last one just on my end. On COVID, it sounds like you're no longer going to break that out next year. There was an increase in the guidance for this year. Any way just to think about what is the pandemic level there on COVID going forward?

Eric Green

Yes. I think the -- just based on the guidance Quintin articulated, I think both Bernard and Quintin have been clear on is about. We're looking at about $68 million for this year. So it would basically -- if you do the delta it's about $8 million in the fourth quarter.

Just -- and that means compare that to $388 million prior year and we had a little bit more of that than previous year to that. It's hard to predict. And -- but we're -- we in the last two quarters we've been basically between $10 million and $20 million a quarter. And so the way, we look at it is yes that could potentially be a headwind if there's less doses that are administered or it could be a tailwind if there's more doses depending on how this pandemic evolves. But we're just -- we're going to -- right now our thinking is to put it into the base and run the business as a whole, because at this point it's becoming a very small portion of overall West.

So, yes, we'll be clear for the balance of this year, but then we'll give better clarity in February if we think if we do need to still call it out, but our thinking right now is to eliminate that.

John Sourbeer

Thanks for taking the question.

Eric Green

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Matt Larew with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Matt Larew

Good morning. Obviously, the focus in terms of the Contract Manufacturing and auto-injector investments right now are around GLP-1s, but there's growing is just I think more broadly in new delivery modalities, and obviously, you have your SmartDose platform. So just curious if you can maybe update us on either the interest the funnel pipeline or more generally what discussions with customers are like in more of the device category that you've been investing in?

Eric Green

Matt, thank you for the question. Excellent question. Quintin, do you want to start?

Quintin Lai

Yes. So Matt, let me clarify. So when we think about injection delivery platforms, we at West can participate in two ways. One, if the customer has the IP then we can manufacture on behalf of that customer. And that's where our contract manufacturing is. We're really good at it. We're not the only ones that will be there though.

As we've said in the past, the customers with the IP will typically outsource to two to three. And if it's a very big project, it could be up to five to six different players. So that's how we participate. And very often those customers also happen to be key proprietary product elastomer customers.

And then on the SmartDose side, there that is proprietary to us. That is our design and that's when customers come to us and work with us to spec in that device with their drug to make a drug device combination therapy. And there we're seeing really active uptake. We are up to four now drug approvals using our SmartDose platform. And we have a very active pipeline of customers that are evaluating the platform.

Eric Green

Excellent. Thank you Quintin.

Matt Larew

Okay. Excellent. And then next on capacity obviously sort of Kinston is ramping to full capacity. I think you referenced maybe adding to the Waterford site in 2024. So I guess just as we think about where capital is moving next from an investment perspective? Is it Waterford are there other sites or particular categories you have in mind? And as you're doing that I know you've referenced building additional automation into newer builds are those things that can help speed time to ramp or more to benefit at steady state?

Eric Green

Yes. So the two points think about the first one in regards to the network and where we're investing our capital particularly on HVP. It's heavily concentrated between Kinston, a little bit in Jersey Shore up in Pennsylvania. But in Europe, it's Waterford and Eschweiler. And we're also looking at additional expansion in Singapore to build support the Asia market. But the priority has been really around the U.S. and Europe and we'll continue to invest.

And it's interesting the growth that we're experiencing with HVP to build support that. It is really around when you think about the pharma washing sterilization and vision that is helping us to drive the HVP conversion. So I'm excited about where we are, but also the investments that are in flight. What that will give us and also give us the ability to do uplift and the additional demand that we expect.

The automation is ongoing. And actually I'm pleased with some of the recent progress we made on new technology for West that allows us to be more efficient improve quality. In my mind I'm always looking at ways to improve safety. It also allows us to scale up faster when we start thinking about to support various areas whether it's biologics I mentioned earlier, about oncology, immunology or auto-immune but it's also thinking about how do we support the scale-up on GLP-1.

And so this automation that we're working on with a couple of our external partners, I need to get over to Europe recently to see some new investments that we put in place. I'm excited for what the engineering team has been doing, and it's going to give us the ability to scale faster. But more importantly, I think the automation will provide a better product that continues to differentiate West in the marketplace. That's what I'm really excited about. Yes, we'll get efficiencies. Yes, we'll get more throughput. But reality is -- main focus is a higher-quality product that differentiates the market.

Matt Larew

Okay. Thank you.

A – Eric Green

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment as we move to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of David Windley with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

David Windley

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Best to Bern and his family. I wanted to start on stocking and just to understand some moving parts a little bit better. I'm understanding, I think well that you're talking today that within elastomers or components the destocking is mostly standard. I think early in the year, we had understood that you had some areas that post pandemic maybe Westar for example, post pandemic had not gotten the capital allocation the growth allocation and were understocked and catching up. And so I guess, I wanted to try to understand better if those two factors were both at play and offsetting in the quarter or maybe the Westar was already done and therefore, the standard destocking now is what we're feeling. It feels like there have been through the year, moving parts in both directions and I just wanted to understand those and the cadence of them. Thanks.

A – Eric Green

It's a good question

Quintin Lai

Thanks, Dave. So maybe it's just a definition or just maybe when you say destocking, we think of it more as customers that are having a demand issue like in COVID-19 and what they're doing is they're not reordering. And they're taking down their safety stock, and consuming their safety stock. And that's certainly happening in COVID-19, which we're seeing year-over-year declines.

The other impact is the fact that we have been behind in terms of delivering, because of our capacity constraints. And then, as we've been able to restock, the base growth that you've seen in generics and pharma is well above the financial construct. So, that has been going on for the first part of this year.

What we're seeing now is that that base growth is going to temper, it's not declining. It's just not going to be as high as we thought it was going to be in Q4. That's why we're calling it, a slowing of a restock. It's not necessarily a destock situation. And again, a lot of it happens is the fact that we've done a really good job of clearing the backlog. We've been -- we've gone to our customers we said "Hey, we have that capacity to deliver product. And they said "No, given where we are in the year, given where our manufacturing schedules are, we would rather be delivered next year instead of Q4.

David Windley

Okay. Helpful. Thank you. In thinking about your initial comments on 2024. And admittedly, the -- I appreciate your answer to Paul's question to start on GLP-1s. And I think we all know that the attention there is probably overwrought. But in so much as there's a lot of enthusiasm for that particular class, I think your folks that are paying attention to West believe that that can be a very strong driver for you perhaps in excess of your long-term construct. Would you tell us that that is -- that our assessment of that is too enthusiastic? Or is it that the pace at which that comes on is perhaps, not as quick as we think? Or is it that other parts of the business are offsetting and those things net you into that 7% to 9% target range? Thanks.

Quintin Lai

So, again, I understand your question, here's our philosophy. We need to be ready for whatever the customers need from us. And so we have -- that's why our teams have such great communication with the customers. We have cited that we have customers that are doing really well, and are increasing their reorders. In the event that those things change to the positive, that's where our global network is ready. We are -- so we're in position for that. We've got the global network to do that. And so now what happens to that class of drug that's really better addressed by our customers. All we can say is that we'll be ready and continuing to be ready and that's why we got so much capital projects going on right now. Eric?

Eric Green

So Dave in addition to that Quintin is right. It's -- if you think about the growth for -- we're really confident with the growth of biologics continues to be strong. And when we speak about Biologics, we're not really bringing in GLP-1 conversations into that mix. And so the growth we're -- we talk about 7% to 9% construct it has to be led by HVP it has to be led by Biologics that really isn't part of the GLP-1 conversation.

As demand comes in for GLP-1 when the drugs are approved and there is further launches and the whole supply chain is working effectively and efficiently we'll be in a very good position to be able to support that scale up.

Exact timing, exact cadence of that aspect I would probably refer more to our customers on that. But we're positioned well to absorb the elastomer side and also the investments we're making. We'll take some time to get the buildings and validate that up in addition to what we have already that will be -- CM is a little bit longer term. But we're ready to address that Dave.

David Windley

I appreciate that answer. If I could just clarify Eric on what you just said. When you say, you're not bringing GLP-1s in on that statement, does that mean that GLP-1s are categorized say in pharma not Biologics? Or are you just saying that you're enthusiastic about the Biologics pipeline notwithstanding whatever GLP-1s do to that pipeline?

Eric Green

Yeah. It's really -- it's latter. I tend to focus on what's approved or about to get approved in the market and that's around the Biologics space. We have a diverse portfolio of customers, diverse portfolio of approved drugs in the market and about to be approved.

And yes we as an organization are going to fully support and be ready and available to support any GLP-1 launches that are beyond what we see today. We're excited to be part of that participation and we'll lead in the front like we have. And there's no reason why we can't deliver like we did around COVID. It's the same model frankly when you think about really the number of SKUs, number of assets that we're leveraging their existing operations. We're very confident we can deliver. But I would say I just want to be clear I'm very excited about Biologics without saying that this growth could be driven by GLP-1.

David Windley

Understood. Thanks for the clarification. Thank you.

Eric Green

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Justin Bowers

Hi, good morning, everyone. Just a two-parter on the outlook for 2024, which I think we all appreciate. I wanted to clarify that the 7% to 9% organic does include the $68 million of -- it's on top of the COVID, the $68 million on COVID?

And then number two, can you help us understand the visibility that you have now into that growth? Is there a level of commitments from customers? Are you already talking about sort of like project planning and the pipeline for next year, just investors in this space have been very skittish around visibility. So any framing there would be helpful.

Eric Green

Yeah. No great questions. The first one is pretty clear. Yes, when we talk about 7% to 9% top line 100 basis point margin expansion that is inclusive of the COVID $68 million that we guided for 2023 in that number, and if there's a drastic change between now and February we'll communicate that. But based on what we're seeing the answer is yes, it's part of that equation.

The second part about visibility just to -- it's interesting our business is make to order for the most part. So our customers are coming to us and giving us campaigns whether it's three quarters, six quarters, five quarters and we're able to support them on -- whether it's new drug launches or existing drug launches. And there's always going to be some variability on each and every molecule. But on aggregate we have pretty good lens what type of volume we need for our SKUs and what investments we need to make.

On the CM side, it tends to be very long contracts with specific assets in CapEx installed that will take a little time to ramp. But once we're operating, we pretty much know what the capacity and output will be day over day.

On the elastomer side there is more volatility, more variability. And again it depends on how successful the drugs are in the marketplace. And so therefore we're able to move a little bit up and down quarter-to-quarter. So we do have visibility. Is it 100%? No. But this business has tremendous amount of -- call it annuity-like repeat year-over-year. It's not 100% but it's very high. And that gives us confidence on how we can plan existing growth, but also future launches working with our customers. So there's a little bit of both in there in that answer.

Justin Bowers

Got it. And then just a quick follow-up on CM. Sort of, the margins this year or this quarter is that, sort of, a good go forward great just given sort of the commentary on the longer visibility of that business?

Quintin Lai

Yes. I think that this quarter we did have some benefit from some pricing that we did take through some of our contracts. We think longer term we're looking at 16% to 17%.

Justin Bowers

Okay. That’s all from me. Thank you.

Quintin Lai

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Derik De Bruin with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Derik De Bruin

Thanks for taking my question. So the margin guide that's implied for the fourth quarter. I mean to get to your EPS number that is basically sort of using your organic revenue guides and everything you put in there to get to that EPS number for the year. Even if we don't assume you're going to get any of that stock-based compensation it looks like you're going to take a pretty big step down sequentially Q3 to Q4. I'm just, sort of, curious what's going on? Is it validation of lines? Why is there such why is this sort of the implied margin step down so big between the quarters? Thanks.

Quintin Lai

Hi, Derik. Thanks for the question. Really it's just utilization and absorption given that we're probably going to have lower volumes through our facilities in the fourth quarter. We're just we just want to make sure that we have a reasonable swag at gross margin. And then we're going to continue to manage our costs on the SG&A and R&D line but so that's where the margin impact is really going to be reflected especially in proprietary products margin for the quarter.

Derik De Bruin

Got it. So gross margin on Proprietary products you expect to be down sequentially just given the utilization?

Quintin Lai

Yes. That's right. That's right. And then CM to get back down to kind of that 16% to 16.5% range.

Derik De Bruin

Got it. Okay. And so how long does that sort of like -- I mean how long does that sort of like drag on Proprietary products as we start thinking about building out our quarterly models or quarterly estimates for next year?

Quintin Lai

No, no. I mean look I mean we're in the process of formalizing kind of the plans for 2024. But as we look at it next year with the top line growth that we get led by HVP you're going to see gross margins improve year-on-year.

Derik De Bruin

Got it. Okay. That's great. And just going back I mean I know we've talked about the -- I know we've talked about the guide and it's -- questions have been asked. But I mean I've covered the stock for a while and you're right. I mean you historically are doing better than your 7% to 9% construct. I mean why wouldn't you do at least the high end of that range next year? I mean given you've got pricing, you've got demand, you've got some orders that got pushed from this year to next year. I mean why wouldn't COVID is normalizing why wouldn't that be just like why wouldn't that be a reasonable 9% or better?

Quintin Lai

Well, Derik look we're sitting here in October where we're putting our plans together. We're trying to give you kind of a preview of next year. And we're also doing it cognizant of the fact that we're hearing other life science tools companies upstream of us talk about softness and tougher times. We don't have some of the high exposure that they have in certain areas like emerging bio and pre-commercial companies and things like that. But still we just want to be again we want to be we acknowledge that there are uncertainties out there. So as we sit there and put all that in and that's how we come up with that preliminary guide. And we'll provide a lot more detail in February. Because we'll have a lot more information then and we're happy to come back and talk to you then.

Eric Green

Yes. And I think we've been consistent on the message that that's just -- to us we want to continuously hit or exceed. So that's where we sit right now with the visibility we have.

Derik De Bruin

Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Quintin Lai

You bet. Good talking to you Derik.

Operator

Thank you. And I would like to hand the conference back over to Quintin Lai for any further remarks.

Quintin Lai

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Operator

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