First Hawaiian, Inc. (NASDAQ:FHB) Q3 2021 Earnings Conference Call October 22, 2021 1:00 PM ET

Company Participants

Kevin Haseyama - Investor Relations Manager
Bob Harrison - Chairman, President and CEO
Ravi Mallela - Chief Financial Officer
Ralph Mesick - Chief Risk Officer

Conference Call Participants

Ebrahim Poonawala - the Bank of America
Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan
David Feaster - Raymond James
Andrew Liesch - Piper Sandler
Jared Shaw - Wells Fargo
Laurie Hunsicker - Compass Point

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Hawaiian, Inc. Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and answer-session. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to hand the conference over to Kevin Haseyama, Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead.

Kevin Haseyama

Thank you, Ashley. And thank you, everyone for joining us as we review our financial results for the third quarter of 2021. With me today are Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO; Ravi Mallela, CFO; and Ralph Mesick, Chief Risk Officer.

We have prepared a slide presentation that we will refer to in our remarks today. The presentation is available for downloading and viewing on our website at fhb.com in the Investor Relations section.

During today’s call, we will be making forward-looking statements, so please refer to slide one for our Safe Harbor statement. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. The appendix to this presentation contains reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP measurements.

And now, I will turn the call over to Bob.

Bob Harrison

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us today. I’d like to start with an update on the COVID situation here in Hawaii, if you turn to slide two. Like many places, the health of our economy is directly related to our ability to control the virus and we’ve done a quite a good job on that, with over 70% of the population fully vaccinated and impressive 92% of the population over age 12 has had at least one shot.

We did have a surge in late August and early September related to the Delta variant as you can see in the lower left there. There is -- for the most part come down and our new case counts are dramatically lower. A lot of capacity in the hospitals, so a lot of concern about that.

And the governor has announced that we’re going to be fully welcoming back visitors starting on November 1st and really in talking to all the mayors, both here on Oahu and the neighbor islands, all of our elected officials are very focused on keeping Hawaii open for tourism and we expect to see the numbers starting to increase and we’ve actually started to see a bit of an increase in daily arrival starting this month. So as the restrictions start to come off and tourists start to return, we expect more of a normalized economy as we come into the holiday season.

Turning to slide three, total loans grew net of PPP pay downs. Our results were solid in the quarter, despite all the noise of the Delta variant. Deposits continue to grow in all segments, while non-interest income and expenses were stable.

Credit quality remained excellent and the diluted earnings per share was $0.50 and the Board maintained the dividend at $0.26 per share. During the quarter, we also repurchased $21.6 million of common stock under our current repurchase program.

And with that, I will turn it over to Ravi to go over the financials.

Ravi Mallela

Thank you, Bob. Turning to slide four. Period end loans and leases were $12.8 billion, down $269 million from the end of Q2. Excluding the impact of PPP loans, total loans increased by $39 million.

We had some good activity in several areas, but dealer flooring remained a headwind, declining another $103 million. Excluding the impacts of PPP repayments and dealer flooring balances, total loans grew about $142 million in the third quarter. Growth was driven by increases in residential, commercial real estate and home equity.

Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we’re expecting net growth in loan balances, but because of the delayed recovery in dealer flooring, we now expect total loan balances ex-PPP to be flat to up 1% for the year.

Turning to slide five. Total deposit balances ended the quarter at $22.1 billion, a $1.3 billion increase versus the prior quarter. This increase was driven by a $782 million increase in public deposits and a $503 million increase in consumer and commercial deposits. The increase in public deposits was almost entirely in operating account balances. Our cost of deposits fell 1 basis point to 6 basis points in the quarter.

Turning to slide six. Net interest income was $132.6 million, a $1.1 million increase versus the prior quarter. The increase in net interest income was primarily due to higher average balances of investment securities and higher cash balances. Net interest margin was 2.36%, a 10-basis-point decrease from the previous quarter. In Q4, excluding the impact of excess liquidity and PPP loan forgiveness, we expect our net interest margin to decline for 2 basis points to 4 basis points.

Turning to slide seven. Non-interest income in Q3 was $50.1 million, a $733,000 increase over the previous quarter. Non-interest income in the third quarter included a $2.3 million BOLI debt benefit. Non-interest expenses were $101 million, a $1.6 million increase versus the prior quarter and the efficiency ratio was 55.1%.

And now, I will turn it over to Ralph to go over asset quality.

Ralph Mesick

Thank you, Ravi. If you could turn to slide eight, I want to provide a few comments on asset quality. We continue to see good credit performance, realized credit costs remain low and we released provision again this quarter.

Net charge-offs were $602,000 in Q3, annualized net charge-off rate is at 6 basis points year-to-date, lower than the levels we saw in the prior two years. NPA and 90-day past due loans were marginally down this quarter to 11 basis points, a 1 basis point decrease from the prior quarter.

Criticized assets increased during the quarter, moving from 2.51% of total loans in Q2 to 2.98%. Loans 30 days to 89 days past due increased 13 basis points to 35 basis points at the end of Q3. The increase was attributed to the delay in the closing of an extension of a single CRE loan.

Moving to slide nine. You see a roll forward of the allowance for the quarter by disclosure segments. The allowance for credit loss decreased by about $7.9 million to $161.2 million at the end of the quarter. This level equates to about 1.26% of all loans and 1.31% net of PPP loans. Our reserve for unfunded commitments increased by $3.3 million to $32.5 million. In Q3, we reported a $7.3 million release against the allowance through the balance changes and some improvement in consumer FICOs.

Our outlook for the economy was unchanged, we anticipate the recovery started midyear will continue but still maintain a COVID related overlay, given uncertainty that could result in higher credit loss. These uncertainties include the effects of the new virus mutation on travel and leisure activity, as well as the impact of monetary and fiscal action.

Let me now turn the call back to Bob.

Bob Harrison

Thank you, Ralph. This was another solid quarter, credit quality remained excellent. We’re continuing our investment in technology to improve our digital capabilities and our customer experience and our balance sheet is well-positioned for rising rates.

And with that, I’d like to open it up and take your questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Ebrahim Poonawala with the Bank of America. Your line is open.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Good morning,

Bob Harrison

Good morning.

Ravi Mallela

Good morning.

Ebrahim Poonawala

I guess just so -- of -- on loan growth, so you mentioned that of the full year update ex-PPP, just give us a sense of, one, Bob, do you think the dealer finance book has bottomed out here and just the pace of where you see it going back to next year understanding that all the supply chain issues may not be resolved? What was this book at the peak on pre-pandemic, so just to get a reference point of how large this can go back again, maybe if you could start there?

Bob Harrison

Sure. Thank you, Eb. Good question, in fact, we saw some good news today on automotive news that our dealer team shared with us. The Head of GM’s North America Business said, they’re making good progress on shipping pickups. So they’re going to start with their high margin vehicles and work their way from there. But these are very big companies and they’re certainly working non-stop day and night to straighten out the supply chain.

Our peak, I am not sure about, but kind of the latest normal number would be the end of 2019 and our dealer flooring balances were $860 million plus a little bit and now we’re substantially less $176 million.

So there’s quite a bit of room. Just this year we’re down $460 million in balances year-to-date. You can’t really pick the bottom on this. We had thought it would have already started increase a bit. Obviously, supply chain issues didn’t allow that to happen.

So we will be watching this along with everybody else. But, hopefully, the car manufacturers will start to be able to produce in volume and they’re still going to be a backlog, as they work through that with people that have purchased cars in advance. So it will take a little bit longer to see the balances and flooring lines start to increase.

You’re seeing even in this article today how the Head of GM was saying that, they would like to see their inventory in their dealer network increase. So all those signs point to increased production and we will just see how, not to wait and see how that plays out in timing.

More broadly in loan activity, we’re seeing mainland activity being fairly strong. Our C&I usage for revolving lines has stabilized over the last few months, so that’s doesn’t seem to be pulling down anymore and residential has been strong.

Kind of a -- there is an anecdote for this quarter that we’re in now, there’s a couple of large projects here on Oahu that will finish and so we will see commercial real estate, construction balances decline, but those will be more than made up for by the take out loans that we’re doing on the residential side on those same projects.

So there will be some moving around, we will see during the quarter, but it seems like we’re at a bottom with some potential upside, but we will just have to wait and see primarily on the flooring business and see how soon that comes back.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Got it. Thanks, Bob. And just in terms of economic activity, you provide some color on slide two around COVID and the restrictions. Give us a sense of just how -- where you think we are in terms of normalcy, hospitality sector, when you think about the holiday season going into the winter. Are we all there, are we going to be at 80% capacity in terms of -- how many of the hotels would have been fully opened, just give us some perspective around that?

Bob Harrison

Yeah. I’d certainly can’t predict what the holidays will bring, but the normal shorter season, which is what we’re in right now, September and October, we always see a drop off in tourist arrivals from summer into the fall and then typically it builds back in the holidays as people take their vacation.

I can’t think of any hotels that are still closed. I think everybody has tried to open, certainly the major ones and they’re adjusting their staffing depending on what occupancy is. So everybody’s ready and we will just have to wait and see.

As we’ve talked about in previous conversations, many, many families come to Hawaii every holiday season and we will just have to wait and see if they come this year and choose to travel. But I think the hotel rooms are booked, it’s just have to see if people show up.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Got it. And just one last question if I can sneak one for Ravi, if -- what’s the -- what was the end of period balance on PPP at the end of 3Q and how much in fees is left to be recognized?

Ravi Mallela

Yeah. We have about a little over $500 million in terms of remaining balances, and sorry, Ebrahim, I missed the second part of the question there.

Ebrahim Poonawala

What are the fees tied to PPP that are left tied to that $500 million balance?

Ravi Mallela

It’s a $14.4 million.

Ebrahim Poonawala

$14.4 million and safe to assume that you expect the next two quarters, three quarters, most of that gets forgiven.

Ravi Mallela

Yeah. I think, if we look at next quarter, I think, the last couple of quarters is a good reflection of the pace we’ve been moving at. So I think over the next two quarters we should be through the majority of it.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from Steven Alexopoulos with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Steven Alexopoulos

Hi, everyone.

Ralph Mesick

Good morning, Steve.

Bob Harrison

Good morning, Steve.

Steven Alexopoulos

I wanted to start then drill down a little bit on C&I, if we take PPP loans and dealer loans and we put those aside, can you talk about the change you saw in the C&I pipeline in the quarter? Any notable increase in commitments and what was line utilization, I know you said it was stable?

Bob Harrison

Ralph, do you have the line utilization number?

Ralph Mesick

Yeah. It was a shade over 20% and I think what we saw pre-COVID it was probably around 30%. We’ve probably gone down into the mid-teens at the low point. So it started to come back a bit there.

Bob Harrison

Yeah. And we are seeing…

Steven Alexopoulos

And on commitments -- yeah.

Bob Harrison

We’re seeing some activity in the corporate area, not a huge amount, but we’re seeing some activity in that area. But that’s been muted. We haven’t seen -- we’ve seen a couple of payoffs just not that we wanted them, but it’s just that the transaction have occurred that either they went to capital markets or mergers and acquisitions in that portfolio, but it’s been fairly stable.

We haven’t seen a huge amount of new growth, a modest amount. But I think that market is there and we will see if -- we will see what the next few months bring as deal making typically starts in the beginning of the year, but we will just have to wait and see.

Steven Alexopoulos

Okay. That’s helpful. And then maybe for, Ravi, you have built a pretty sizable cash position here, it looks like the guidance you’re expecting more deposit than loan growth over the near-term. Now that rates have moved up a bit, has this changed your appetite, should we expect more of that liquidity to move into securities book or do you anticipate this cash balance building further here?

Ravi Mallela

We’ve -- as you know, we and just looking at the data, we’ve grown that securities portfolio about a $1 billion this quarter and it’s pretty close to $8 billion. We certainly look at the balance sheet in totality and we would love to see loan growth kind of help us with those liquidity levels that we have currently.

But it will have to take it sort of piece by piece and I think we’re probably feeling pretty comfortable with our level of securities at this stage. So I think as we start to see some of that liquidity get deployed, we would like to see those balances come down. But at this point we feel comfortable with our securities level and are plus or minus a little bit, but we’re going to have to work through that liquidity over time.

Steven Alexopoulos

Okay.

Bob Harrison

And it is Bob, Steve. The only thing I would add to that is you saw a large increase in the public operating accounts, is that relationship with the various municipalities in the state has been very fluid. Just the amount of cash they have coming in and going out is hard to predict.

Steven Alexopoulos

Got it. Okay. And then, Bob, just a final one, I mean, just about every banks talking about wage pressure here and I have been paying a lot of attention to the situation in Hawaii, but is that a pressure point and could this impact your expense growth over the next year? Thanks.

Bob Harrison

Yeah. Great question, Steve. And we’re seeing the same -- some of the same issues here. We did see our jobless rate ticked down yesterday. So it went from 7% down to 6.6%. So there’s still some people looking for jobs, but there’s still a lot of activity out there, a lot of people trying to hire.

So there’s some wage pressure and we’ve been going through that quite frankly over the last year plus in our business. So I am not going to say we won’t face it, but it’s hard to predict exactly what that would be going forward.

Steven Alexopoulos

Okay. Okay. Thanks for all the color.

Operator

Your next question comes from David Feaster with Raymond James. Your line is open.

David Feaster

Hi. Good morning, everybody.

Bob Harrison

Good morning.

Ravi Mallela

Good morning, David.

David Feaster

I just wanted to -- you saw some nice growth in CRE in the quarter. I am just curious, maybe where you’re seeing strength and maybe if you could compare and contrast the U.S., the mainland and the Hawaiian markets, and just -- also just maybe give us a pulse of the competitive dynamics that you’re seeing. We hear a lot more competition from a pricing standpoint, but also seeing some on structure and standards as well, just curious what you’re seeing in CRE?

Bob Harrison

Yeah. Maybe -- this is Bob, David, and maybe I will start and ask Ralph to add some comments. What we’re -- we’ve continued to see pressure here in Hawaii on pricing. We haven’t seen it too much on structure. It’s been much more active in the mainland, primarily in the West Coast, where we have relationships with -- some direct relations and a lot of relations with other banks and it just seems to be quite active that people are doing transactions up there that we’ve been able to participate in.

I expect we will see more volume here over time, but there will be some headwinds, as I mentioned earlier with a couple of large projects here paid off in Q4 on the CRE construction side. But, Ralph, anything you would add to that?

Ralph Mesick

No. I would say that on the mainland where we’ve seen pretty good activity right now. Most of what we’re doing there is sort of institutional quality type real estate, institutional type players. So I think in terms of weakening of terms, it’s not that big of an issue as it would be maybe in the smaller loan market.

David Feaster

Okay. That’s helpful. And then maybe just touching on fee income and getting some of your thoughts on the puts and takes there, just on card fees, which have pretty much recovered back to where we were in the trust department and the trends you’re seeing there? And then just appreciate the color on the BOLI benefit, but have seen several other banks add the BOLI, just curious your appetite for BOLI here too?

Bob Harrison

Please, Ravi, go ahead.

Ravi Mallela

Sure. I think maybe I will just take them in pieces, David, this is Ravi. I think it’s been nice to see the credit card and debit card fee income pick up, as we’ve seen quite a bit of activity here over the summer.

We saw -- I just characterize it as a small dip as a result of, as Bob mentioned, sort of going into the shoulder season and maybe a little bit of impact of the Delta virus and activity. But again, strong numbers there and we expect that to trend pretty consistently with what we will hopefully see in the rest of the year and the vacation season.

I’d say with trust and investment income, it’s been very strong and very stable, and I’d say the core pieces of income coming from the trust and investment income side has been really from recurring revenue sources, which has been a good sort of solid consistent place of growth for us for, I’d say, the last year, year-and-a-half.

Just talking a little bit about BOLI, from our perspective, we’re probably from a capital perspective sort of at the top end for the amount of BOLI that we can have in our portfolio. So we don’t expect to add to the BOLI portfolio itself, but we expect it to perform pretty well over time and pretty consistently at least in this environment.

David Feaster

Okay. That’s helpful, guys. Great color. And then just last one for me, asset quality has been phenomenal. You guys do a great job there. Just wanted to touch on the modest uptick, I mean, it’s small, but just the uptick in criticized and past due balances and you’re just thoughts on overall asset quality here?

Ralph Mesick

Sure. Dave, this is Ralph. The increase in the criticized loans is about $62 million. And really, that was around, I think, about five credits, shared national credits that got downgraded during the exams that are conducted at the Asian banks.

Now we look at those credits, we don’t see much lost potential there. These companies have really good financial flexibility, sound businesses and I think it really sort of a different perspective maybe that the regulators had from the banks. So nothing, I don’t think really happening there. I think this trend that we’ve seen can kind of continue to improve.

And then on the past due side, that was really kind of an administrative delinquency on one loan and we’re at 35 basis points. So, just one loan could create quite a bit of a change in that -- in the statistic.

David Feaster

Was there anything within those five credits that was, any trends or any -- you’ve -- similar industry or was it just kind of one-off?

Ralph Mesick

No. They are kind of in those higher risk areas, actually the trends are probably improving. So it was -- but the regulators come in annually and they look at those deals. And they were downgraded to a special mention, which essentially means there’s potential weakness and I think not necessarily a well-defined weakness. And again, we downgraded those credits. We have reserve for those credits. So we’re pretty comfortable with the asset quality picture right now.

David Feaster

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Andrew Liesch

Good morning, everyone.

Bob Harrison

Good morning.

Ravi Mallela

Good morning.

Ralph Mesick

Good morning.

Andrew Liesch

Just want to touch on expenses here, pretty well controlled and I know you pushed off the timing of the conversion into next year, it sounds like there might be some inflationary pressures. But how should we be looking at the expense base and expense growth for next year? I think you were guiding to 7% for 2021, which all seems reasonable? I mean how should we look at it going into next year?

Ravi Mallela

Yeah. Andrew, this is Ravi. I will comment a little bit on that. Typically, we don’t provide 2022 guidance yet. But I will make some comments about sort of what we -- how we see the future in terms of our expense profile. Bob alluded to sort of inflationary pressure that we’ve seen, particularly in wages and particular in some very specific categories that are high in demand. So that’s one area.

I think we’ve talked about this in the past, our continuing investment in technology, it’s a big part of our goals for the future and we continue -- we’re going to continue to invest in technology to be competitive.

Another area just to talk about is just the core. I think we will see, as we get closer and closer to the implementation of core, we’re going to see training costs will continue on. And when we eventually go live, we will see that the capitalization of the development cost start to roll into the expense line in the form of amortization of the core itself. So that’s some guidance or color, not guidance, but just some color on where we think things are going for the future.

Andrew Liesch

Got it. Makes sense. Is there any time you can provide on the conversion?

Bob Harrison

Andrew, this is Bob. We’re looking at the first half of next year still and trying to pull that in. We’re feeling very good about where we’re at. But since we’ve delayed it, we don’t want to jinx ourselves by being too specific. But we’re feeling very good about where we’re at and the progress were made and we didn’t want to do it in the fourth quarter candidly, because it just didn’t seem like a good idea relative to year end.

Andrew Liesch

Understandable. Makes sense there. And then, just with the rapid deposit growth, some of these obviously public funds that may go the other direction at some point, but that put some pressure on capital ratios. How should we would be looking at the buyback, I know you guys have wanted to be consistent with share repurchases, but how should you be looking at that asset growth versus the buyback right now?

Bob Harrison

Yeah. Maybe I can start, this is Bob and ask Ravi, if he has any comments as well. Something we’re looking at in our budgeting process. Clearly, we’re hopeful that we will see loan growth come back in next year with just some of the lines of credit that we have both for our corporate customers and certainly our flooring line customers and that amount of capital that we’re holding above our target will kind of get absorbed into the loans portfolio through risk weighted assets.

And on that planning process, we will look at our profitability. We know that we’ve been a very steady capital return bank and that’s something that’s very important to us. Certainly, the dividend is critically important to us and we’re not seeing any changes in that and we will just have to decide how much capital we will have left after we’re investing in our technology and look to maintain the share repurchase program. But we don’t have any idea at this point on what the level would be or what we’re looking at in that. Ravi?

Ravi Mallela

I didn’t have anything to add.

Andrew Liesch

Got it. All right. Thank you for taking the questions and I will step back.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jared Shaw with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Jared Shaw

Hi. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions.

Bob Harrison

Good morning.

Jared Shaw

Maybe shifting -- looking at loan growth, to hit that target for the 1% ex-PPP growth this year, it seems like we -- you’re seeing a ramp-up in fourth quarter. How should we be thinking about resi mortgages as part of that, certainly grown as a percentage of the overall portfolio? Is that going to be a bigger part of the lending story going forward?

Bob Harrison

Yeah, Jared. Good morning. This is Bob. Certainly for a fourth quarter, we’re going to see a bump in residential for no other reason other than those. There’s actually three large projects completing that are in the -- actually a couple of them in escrow now, as far as residential loans we’ve approved for customers, it will be closing in the next several weeks as those projects are completed. And so that by itself will be a pretty significant boost on top of the normal volume that goes through.

So like many places, we’re seeing a little bit of a slowdown in refinance and pick up, other than these projects completed in new purchases. But in addition to that, we have this kind of special one-off situation with these three projects completed. So residential should be quite strong in Q4.

Jared Shaw

Okay. Thanks. And then shifting to the reopening of the state, you touched on a little bit of the labor market. But is there enough labor capacity in state to sort of handle a full reopening or that require maybe some return of people that may have left the state at the beginning of COVID?

Bob Harrison

Yeah. To be honest, I don’t have a great answer for you on that. To be determined, we had our unemployment rate. Kevin, was it 2% or something before, the low point. And now we’re at 6.6%, 2%, 2.5%, below 3% and now we’re at 6.6%. So we’re still quite a few workers out there that are looking for jobs and will that be sufficient to absorb the demand of the return to tourism. I don’t know to be candid with you.

Jared Shaw

Okay. And then, just finally for me, when you’re looking at the NIM guidance, Ravi you’re saying that, excluding the excess liquidity, what is the excess liquidity that we should be thinking of at this point?

Ravi Mallela

It’s hard to say…

Jared Shaw

Just the dollar value there. Yeah.

Ravi Mallela

Yeah. It’s hard to say, I think, last quarter it was about 8 basis points impact of excess liquidity. If we start to some of those, as Bob mentioned, those public deposits move off, certainly the impact of excess liquidity coming from that part of the deposit base will decline, but we’ve also seen pretty good strong growth in commercial and consumer deposits. So it will really depend on what happens in the next quarter or two.

Jared Shaw

Okay. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Your next question comes from Laurie Hunsicker with Compass Point. Your line is open.

Laurie Hunsicker

Great. Thanks. Good morning.

Bob Harrison

Good morning, Laurie.

Laurie Hunsicker

What’s the -- I wondered if you could just give us a little color, the $2.1 million in litigation costs what that was?

Bob Harrison

Yeah. I can touch on that. This is Bob. Good morning, Laurie. And there just some commercial dispute we had with our vendor and we didn’t feel they were performing to our expectations and so unfortunately it got into litigation, but we should have that resolved, we’re hopeful very soon.

Laurie Hunsicker

Okay. And then when I look at that other expense line, the $16.2 million, even netting out that $2.1 million, it’s still looks high, was there any other one-time items in that bucket to think about?

Ravi Mallela

Nothing specific, Laurie. I mean a lot of small little things, in particular a couple of catch-up items that we had, but nothing specific.

Laurie Hunsicker

Okay. I mean, I guess, if we were to think about where that line would run, is it going to run closer to sort of $13 million a quarter give or take or how should we think about that?

Ravi Mallela

It’s hard to say, there’s a lot of sort of small items that are in that line. I think $13 million isn’t such a bad number in terms of what we expect it to be, but it will just depend on sort of one-time items that might show up in the quarter itself.

Laurie Hunsicker

Okay. Great. That’s helpful. And then, tax rate, how should we would be thinking about that for next year?

Ravi Mallela

I think barring anything else that happens out there with respect to policy. I think relatively consistent with where we are, maybe trending a little bit downward. We continue to engage in low income housing tax credits as an opportunity to manage our effective tax rate. And so as we sort of roll into new opportunities there, we will start to see that kick down a little bit. But that takes time as we build that portfolio.

Laurie Hunsicker

Okay. Great. And then last question for me, deferrals, I didn’t see a deferral update in your deck or in your press release, I am hoping you could give us the number. I know it was incredibly low last quarter at $35 million. Just wondered if you had an updated number on the?

Ralph Mesick

Yeah. I think what’s left now, Laurie, this is Ralph, is about $16 million.

Laurie Hunsicker

$16 million. Okay. And do buy chance have a split in terms of what’s commercial versus what…

Ralph Mesick

Yeah. I don’t. But it’s almost exclusively residential mortgage.

Laurie Hunsicker

Perfect. Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn it over to Kevin Haseyama.

Kevin Haseyama

Thank you. We appreciate your interest in First Hawaiian and please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions. Thanks again for joining us and enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.