Armada Hoffler Properties, Inc. (NYSE:AHH) Q2 2021 Earnings Conference Call August 3, 2021 8:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Michael O’Hare – Chief Financial Officer
Lou Haddad – President and Chief Executive Officer

Conference Call Participants

Dave Rodgers – Baird
Rob Stevenson – Janney Montgomery Scott
Peter Abramowitz – Jefferies

Operator

Welcome to our Armada Hoffler’s Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After management's remarks, you will be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Tuesday, August 3, 2021.

I will now turn the conference call over to Michael O’Hare, Chief Financial Officer of Armando hustler. Please go ahead.

Michael O’Hare

Good morning. And thank you for joining Armada Hoffler's second quarter of 2021 earnings conference call and webcast.

On the call this morning, in addition to myself, is Lou Haddad, Chief Executive Officer.

The press release announcing our second quarter earnings along with our quarterly supplemental package were distributed this morning.

Replay of this call will be available shortly after the conclusion of the call through September 3, 2021. The numbers to access the replay are provided in the earnings press release. For those who listen to the rebroadcast of this presentation, remind you that the remarks made herein are as of today August 3, 2021, will not be updated subsequent to this initial earnings call.

During this call, we will make forward-looking statements, including statements related to the future performance of our portfolio, our development pipeline, impact of acquisitions and dispositions, our mezzanine program, our construction business, our liquidity position, our portfolio performance and financing activities, as well as comments on our guidance and outlook.

Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond our control, particularly in light of the COVID-19 pandemic and any related economic uncertainty. These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations, and we advise listeners to review the forward-looking statement disclosure in our press release that was distributed this morning and the risk factors disclosed in documents we have filed with or furnished to the SEC. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures, including but not limited to FFO and normalized FFO. Definitions of these non-GAAP measures, as well as reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are included in the quarterly supplemental package, which is available on our website, armadahoffler.com.

I'll now turn the call over to Lou.

Lou Haddad

Thanks, Mike. And thanks to all of you for joining us today.

For the last few quarters, we relayed to you the strategy we've successfully employed to see us through this, the fifth major economic downturn in our corporate history. While I won't rehash the conservative aspects of that plan, which saw us through the worst of the crisis, I do want to emphasize the part of our formula that is of the most interest to investors. The goal of outperforming our peers in the subsequent recovery.

This morning's announcement of a healthy increase in our guidance for the year is, but the first of what we expect to be a number of positive announcements on the horizon. Leasing activity across all sectors of our core portfolio is at the highest velocity we've seen in years. The development pipeline is well-stocked and proceeding rapidly. An ample supply of off-market acquisition opportunities have been uncovered. Third-party construction engagements are shaping up to become high volume contracts later this year. And most importantly, we are in a strong liquidity position with access to additional capital sources from the potential disposition of non-core assets.

At some point we would expect to see these near and long-term growth prospects to be reflected in our stock price, just as it was in the five years leading up to the pandemic. For now, our team is happy to continue putting the building blocks in place to demonstrate superior if not game-changing performance.

This morning, we posted second quarter results of $0.29 of normalized FFO per share, which was ahead of our expectations.

More importantly, as you see in our earnings release, we have raised full year guidance by 4% to $1.02 to $1.06. A close look at the components of our guidance reveals the increase is almost entirely due to an increase in our property NOI as all other components remain virtually unchanged. This forecasted NOI increase is mainly due to accelerated leasing in both retail and multifamily, as well as the off-market acquisition of two high volume retail centers this month.

Let's briefly discuss each component of our business model and the activity we're experiencing in each of them. Apartment leasing and occupancy continued to trend upward at a rapid pace. Our 2,300 conventional multi-family units are 97% occupied. The cash same-store NOI increase of 12% on these properties, only begins to tell the story of the desirability of these assets and their locations.

New leases signed in the second quarter, have an average rate increase of over 7% with a continued migration to high value properties in the sought after markets of the Mid-Atlantic, coupled with a shortage of housing. Our expectation is for these trends to continue for some time.

Retail leasing tells a similar story, with an additional seven 37,000 square feet leased since our last update. Included in that total are several new retailers that are on their way to our flagship asset, the Town Center of Virginia Beach. With occupancy approaching our traditional to mid-to-high 90s percentage occupied, and as the new tenants begin to pay rent, we expect the retail portfolio will eclipse pre-pandemic NOI levels sometime early next year. As we have said on numerous occasions, there is no substitute for well-located real estate, regardless of the asset class. High volume retail centers are no exception to this rule.

As most of you know, our stabilized office portfolio is essentially fully leased with very little in the way of leased expirations this year. The only meaningful vacancy is at Wills Wharf, the office building we delivered at Baltimore's Harbor Point at the onset of the pandemic.

Last quarter, we reported the tenant activity was starting to accelerate as COVID restrictions lifted. We announced two substantial leases with Transamerica and RBC. Currently we're at lease with another full floor of credit tenant and having an abundance of prospects for the remaining space. In fact, we have more space proposed to potential tenants than we have space available in the building. We expect to announce further leasing later this year. although the full impact on earnings of new office and retail leases, as well as the rise in multi-family rents, won't be fully reflected until well into 2022, the trajectory of our core portfolio should be easily recognized.

The last factor contributing to our increased guidance is the off-market acquisition of two high volume retail centers, which we alluded to last quarter. The centers will have been acquired partially through the redeployment of capital from the early payoff of the Solis Interlock mezzanine loan, which included the full year's interest income that was in our previous guidance. The first, located in Asheville, North Carolina is anchored by the number one T.J. Maxx in the state. And the other in Chesapeake, Virginia is anchored by the number one Kroger in the state. Both are required on a negotiated basis and immediately accretive, where one contains value add opportunities.

Since the fall of 2019, we have made clear the goal of balancing the percentage of our NOI that is derived from our various asset classes. Just as clear has been our commitment to expand the retail sector of our business, both through the development and acquisition of high quality, grocery and discount anchored centers, it is gratifying to see that investors are starting to recognize the value of these types of high traffic retail assets.

That said ultimately the portion of NOI from retail will decrease relative to our other sectors due to the predominantly multifamily and office makeup of our development pipeline.

Speaking of development, the two multi-family projects currently underway remain on their scheduled budget and completion dates. The Gainesville project is scheduled to begin pre-leasing by the end of the year with delivery of the first units in the first quarter. Chronicle Mill is scheduled for delivery at this time next year. Based on the activity in those Atlanta and Charlotte satellite markets, we anticipate faster than normal lease up at both of these assets.

Together with the 2022 commencement of our new apartment development, adjacent to the Regal Cinema in Harrisonburg, Virginia, we will soon add nearly 700 units to our conventional multi-family portfolio, bringing the total count to over 3000 units. We believe that this sector of our platform alone has a value of over a $1 billion. We also believe that investors will ultimately reap tremendous growth and value from this very significant portion of our diversified business model. We are seeing even more opportunities to develop additional assets in this sector.

This leads me to our three student housing facilities. As we have said on several occasions, we view these assets as non-core and they will ultimately be used as a ready source of inexpensive capital to fund development and acquisition opportunities. Economic occupancy at these properties were significantly impacted during COVID and thus we don't expect full re-stabilization to occur for at least another school year. That said, at today's cap rates, we may opt to transact sooner rather than later, as even at less than maximum value. This significant amount of capital may be better deployed elsewhere in light of the abundance of growth opportunities coming our way.

The balance of the announced development pipeline to mixed-use Southern Post in Roswell of Georgia and the joint ventures at Harbor Point on the Baltimore Waterfront, continue on track to break ground around your end.

In addition to the 450,000 square foot T. Rowe Price world headquarters, the program for the companion building is substantially settled. This building is expected to feature 300 apartments, 15,000 square feet of retail space and 1,300 parking spaces.

Though the pipeline is already robust, we continue to receive many new opportunities. The amount of activity in our markets coupled with our 40-year track record, have yielded many more opportunities for high-value projects across our diversified platform. We will continue to evaluate these for selective inclusion in our next wave of development.

This brings me to our construction company. As most of you know, this division of our company had perhaps its best year ever in 2020 with $7.7 million in third-party gross profits. This year we have seen a lag in new construction starts as many of our clients delayed projects until later in the year. However, we still expect to end the year at the low end of our historical range, but these anticipated projects commencing soon, the effect of the delays simply moved more work in place and therefore profits into next year.

This shift coupled with new engagements that we expect to be solidified later in the year. We will most probably see this division back to the high end of our normal range if not beyond in 2022. On numerous occasions, we have discussed that our mezzanine lending program will be gradually reduced to a principal amount of approximately $80 million. We had anticipated that the two major projects in this program would have loans outstanding well into 2022, thereby reducing our ability to meaningfully resize the program until that time.

We still project that the Interlock commercial loan will be outstanding for that duration. However, due to favorable market conditions and the rapid pace of unit absorption, our partners at Terwilliger Pappas decided to sell the Solis Interlock asset earlier than was previously contemplated. Our mezzanine loan was paid off in early June. The return of $33 million of capital inclusive of nearly $10 million of stipulated minimum interest enhanced our flexibility to take advantage of the shopping center acquisitions that I previously mentioned. These actions are totally consistent with our stated goal of using more of our capital to build a top quality core portfolio.

As we demonstrated to you with our guidance presentation from last winter, 2021 is a year where our focus is to substantially increase NAV through our leasing initiatives, improve quality of earnings, exciting development starts and resizing of the mezzanine program. In short, we anticipated that our activities over the course of 2021 would build a solid base for higher earnings and dividends over the next few years and ultimately lead to a significant expansion of our earnings multiple. We believe that we are well on our way towards delivering on those commitments. As the company's largest active equity holder, management remains committed to generating long-term value for all shareholders.

Now, I'll turn the call over to Mike.

Michael O’Hare

Thanks, Lou. For the second quarter, we reported FFO of $0.28 per share and normalized FFO of $0.29 per share. This quarter earnings included $0.03 per share of interest income from the early pay off of the Solis Interlock loan. Long terms contained a minimum interest amount, which was calculated through the end of the year. The pay off this quarter is interesting income, which was included in our prior guidance, which accelerated into the second quarter. As Lou discussed, this accelerated interest income was not the reason for our increased earnings guidance.

Our stabilized operating portfolio occupancy for the second quarter was 94% with office at 97%, retail at 95%, and multifamily including student housing at 92%. Our conventional multifamily was 97% occupied with student housing at 84%. The student housing property, Johns Hopkins Village was the outlier at 77%.

Overall same-store NOI was positive 0.7% on a GAAP basis and 13.5% on a cash basis. Office was positive 3.2% GAAP and 6.4% cash. The office portfolio continues its strong performance. Retail was negative 3.2% on a GAAP basis and positive 24.6% on a cash basis. The significant increase in cash reflects tenants returning to their pre-pandemic and schedules. Multifamily was positive 6.6% on a GAAP basis and positive 1.7 on a cash basis.

Issues with the Johns Hopkins student housing property allow negative effect on these metrics. It was 77% occupied, had a large increase in real estate taxes due to an expiration of real estate tax abatement. A conventional multifamily same-store NOI without the effects from student housing was positive 14.9% GAAP and 12.3% cash.

Releasing spreads were positive for the quarter at 8% GAAP and 6.9% cash. There were no office renewables during the quarter. If you look at the performance metrics of our portfolio including occupancy, same-store NOI, releasing spreads, how quickly the vacated space released reflects the high quality of our real estate.

We have seven development projects in various phases of development. Wills Wharf which is complete with only tenant build-out remaining to under construction informed pre-construction as is the case of the T. Rowe Price headquarters. This building and the associated mixed use projects are structured as 50-50 joint ventures, but this structure, both projects will be non-consolidated joint ventures and therefore off-balance sheet. The current estimate of our costs and equity requirement, the two projects combined $60 million. At JV, we will develop these projects and be the construction loan borrower. Our share of the cost of the seven development projects is $440 million.

Cost to date as of June 30 was $162 million, $278 million to complete. This $278 million will be funded through expect to construction loans of $180 million and $98 million through the credit facility. The projects in pre-development are expected to start construction late this year, early next year, if or the cash funding requirements run through the end of 2022.

Our liquidity position of $170 million, the extended ramp up of cash requirements, potential sale of non-core assets and strategic use of the ATM program they're well positioned to fund these projects. As to the ATM, this quarter we raised $14.4 million and average price at $13.44 and $23.6 million the year.

Last quarter, we refinanced the last 2021 debt maturity and now addressing the three 2022 maturities. To our shopping center loans totaling $20 million, which we intend to pay off and add to the credit facility borrowing phase. The third loan is for the Thames Street Wharf building. We have a term sheet refinance in five years. There's similar interest rate to the current loan. We anticipate closing on this loan this month. Taking into account, the 2022 loan maturities just discussed, 65% of a debt maturities are beyond four years including the credit facility.

Our debt is a mix of fixed and variable interest rates with 59% fixed and 41% variable. As discussed in the past, we maintain a hedging program for insurance if interest rates increase. Currently, we have LIBOR interest rate caps of 50 basis points for 98% of our available rate debt.

Our average interest rate on all our debt is 3%. The combination of our loan maturity ladder, average interest rate, debt service coverage, fixed charge coverage of 2.4 times we are very comfortable with our debt levels. With the expected increasing NOI, rising capital through the ATM program, assuming favorable market conditions and the potential sale of non-core assets, we expect to maintain leverage in our target range of six to seven times core debt to core EBITDA.

Our 2021 normalized FFO per share earnings guidance was increased to a $1.02 to a $1.06 per share. As Lou discussed our largest contributed to this increase is higher NOI through leasing and through acquisitions. In addition to the acquisitions and GAAP effects, stabilized property projected NOI increased by $1.7 million.

Please see Page 6 of the supplemental package for details of our 2021 guidance ranges and assumptions. Insight into 2022, we were expecting normalized FFO earnings per share increased due to a combination of higher NOI from 2021 leasing of the pandemic related vacant space, leasing and tenants occupying Wills Wharf full year impact of acquisitions, development project deliveries, and higher construction profits.

Now, I'll turn the call over to Lou.

Lou Haddad

Thanks, Mike. Operator, we would now like to start our question-and-answer session.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please proceed.

Dave Rodgers

Yes, good morning, Lou and Mike, thanks for all the detail and the prepared comments. Wanted to follow up, you had talked about leasing spreads and the strength of multifamily. Maybe continue those same thoughts with retail. We've seen more leasing over the last two quarters as you have a number of big leases set to roll over the next six to 12 months, those mid to large size boxes, what do you expect economics to look like? And is there still really solid demand behind that?

Lou Haddad

Hey, good morning, Dave. Good to hear from you. So our expectation is that the majority actually I would say nearly all potentially probably all of those large boxes are going to renew at their option rate. We're not anticipating any give back of space at this point in time.

Dave Rodgers

That's helpful. Is the option rate being higher than where they are today? I guess I'm presuming, but you could fill me in? And then maybe the same question really on office. You have one, I think it's Day & Zimmerman rolling next year, maybe a peak into kind of what office looks like as you think about it, here post-COVID as well?

Lou Haddad

Sure. Yes, the option rates are typically minimum – higher than the ending rental rate. On the office side, we're seeing a lot of really good activity. It's kind of across the board Dave at Wills Wharf where you are significantly above pro forma rates with the prospects that we talked to you about as well as the leases that are in hand. With the rollovers, our expectation is that we're going to have increases on a GAAP basis potentially flat or so on a cash basis. That's due to the significant bumps in these 10-year leases sometimes gets you past the market. But ultimately, we're not seeing, so just to your question is, are we seeing any lead up in demand? And that answer is no, if anything, it's accelerating.

Dave Rodgers

Appreciate. Yes and that's what we were getting at. That's great. Maybe shifting to the construction and development side of the business, talk a little bit more and this is maybe more owned than third party, but what you're seeing in terms of the availability of construction materials and the increases in construction pricing, and what that might do to your ability to create value with anything.

Lou Haddad

So far, the effect on us is it's pretty well contained. The projects that are underway were all purchased prior to the dramatic increase in a lot of these materials. We haven't had any hiccups in terms of the deliveries.

And as I mentioned earlier, both those multifamily projects are slated to maintain their budgets, as well as their schedules. With regard to projects that hasn't started yet, you're obviously seeing some inflation. We're not seeing issues, supply chain issues on the types of materials that we use as you know, is predominantly high rise construction – commercial construction, but we are seeing increases. Fortunately, we're also seeing increases in the ability to rent for a higher rate. So I don't think our ability to maintain our traditional spreads is going to be impacted to any material degree.

Dave Rodgers

Thanks, Lou. And maybe Mike, last one for you. I guess, with regard to the delta variant, the large amount of funding that you have, you went through the funding ability that you have, but I guess, do you feel the need, or have you thought about being a little more aggressive on the capital raising side, just with continued uncertainty, given the solid projects you have in the backlog? It sounds like you talked about maybe non-core assets sales with the student housing, but just in terms of putting more equity into the balance sheet, whether it's holding onto some of those assets sales or raising more capital through equity thoughts around that?

Michael O’Hare

Hi, good morning, Dave. I think as far as issuing more equity, I think it when a stock is trading today. We're going to put it out very little or not a lot from a raising standpoint. We certainly have been selling non core assets in the past. It's something we're continuing to look at like Lou talked about in student housing. We have other assets we're looking. The other thing, we're going to kind of keep an eye on is the Interlock loan could get paid off next year. And it's a matter of what's the timing on that when they go to market and that will be a substantial source of capital as well.

Dave Rodgers

Fair point. All right, guys. Thanks so much.

Operator

Our next question is from Rob Stevenson with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please proceed.

Rob Stevenson

Hi, good morning, guys. Lou, can you talk about the retail acquisitions, Greenbrier, and then Overlook, and what you're seeing there, what the upside is and sort of what pricing looks like on Overlook, given that it's a Kroger-anchored center?

Lou Haddad

Yes, a Greenbrier is the Kroger-anchored center.

Rob Stevenson

I'm sorry.

Lou Haddad

The other is anchored by T.J. Maxx and Homegoods and Ross. Rob, we're seeing a really good value in those properties. We were able to get them off market, as we mentioned, they are accretive. We'll have press releases on those out in the next several days. One is just closed, the other we'll close here, hopefully in the next week or two. But we see solid value in high volume centers. So we've been in the grocery anchor, discount anchored center business for about 40 years. And what we track is traffic. And when you have high traffic, then basically everything stays full and you have a lot of flexibility to increase rents as they roll over. These two properties are no exception. One has some vacancy, which is a great value add for us. But in total, we're looking at these as core assets that are going to be maintained for a long term.

Rob Stevenson

Okay. So these are not redevelopment place or anything of that nature?

Lou Haddad

No, these, like I said, there's a tremendous amount of foot traffic in both of leases, which is what attracted us to them. These are properties that are known to us and the owners are people that we've dealt with before. And so it just fit hand in glove for us.

Rob Stevenson

Okay. And then how are you viewing the student housing market? How robust is that right now? Do you really need to have, a year of the kids back in school in order to maximize pricing on any type of sales there, is there a strong market, if you were today, if you were to market one of these assets, how should we be thinking about that segment and sort of timeline for you guys to maximize profit there?

Lou Haddad

Sure. There is a confluence of different factors that you look at right now. There still is a lot of hesitancy, particularly on the part of parents. Many of whom got burned last year with universities changing gears. And so this has been probably the latest lease up we've seen in that business occurring, since we we've been around. So that's the drag on occupancy and financial occupancy.

On the other side of the coin, you've got cap rates at historic lows in anything that involves multifamily. And so you've got the push pull of where you can maximize your value. For us, the defining factor is going to be redeploying the capital. As you know, as is everybody on the phone knows it as a REIT, it's a question of whether you have a better use of the capital. And to the extent that it makes more sense to transact sooner rather than later, because of opportunities that are basically flooding our inboxes. Then we're going to do that. Otherwise, we'll wait because we believe we get more value as time goes on.

Rob Stevenson

To your comment about the cap rate, I mean, how does pricing look like on a per unit basis, right? Because the NOI is down and so the cap rate might not be the best sort of arbiter of value on something with a sort of depressed rental rate. So, when you look at per pound or we sort of, similar valuations to where we were pre pandemic, are we still, probably a little bit down and need to have the fall semester go off uninterrupted before that fully recovers?

Lou Haddad

Yes, I think the fall semester has to come off without a hitch and hopefully that'll be the case. But again, here in the student housing business, as you know, you're locked in for a year. So, you really, aren't going to get any kind of a substantial increase until the following school year, which is consistent with what I had said earlier.

So, there's enough dollars chasing these kinds of assets out there that you still can get a nice price. But we'll, like I said, the timing is really going to be a question of whether we have a better use of the capital.

Rob Stevenson

Okay. And then is the hotel open at Wills Wharf? And if so, how are they doing?

Lou Haddad

Yes, hotels are open and rolling. It’s done extremely well on the weekends as they're getting a lot of vacation or tourist traffic. And it's coming back on the business side. So, they're pleased with where they are in light of a pandemic. The restaurant is completely knocking them dead. Gosh, and it seems like it's been since day one. So, I think they are real happy with the investment. And of course, as people continue to return to work, then it's only going to get better.

Rob Stevenson

Okay. And then on the deals that you've announced thus far, I mean, when you think about any type of free rent component or anything else in the initial part of the lease, Mike, when does, on the current lease signings, when do you sort of hit full cash revenue off of that asset based off of current lease signings? Is that not until first quarter, or is that sometime here in the back half of 2021?

Michael O’Hare

Good morning. We're thinking it's going to be middle to third quarter of next year. One is like we were saying, we're in lease negotiations now with a credit tenant, by the time we get that lease on and get demand it's going to be well on to next year. Transamerica, RBC are not going to be occupied till next year and continue to lease up.

So unfortunately, this business, by the time you get – make a time [indiscernible] with the tenant and get them in place and paying rent takes quite a period of time.

Rob Stevenson

Okay. All right. Thanks guys. I appreciate the time.

Lou Haddad

Thanks Rob.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Peter Abramowitz with Jefferies. Please proceed.

Peter Abramowitz

Thank you. So, I think in Lou's comments in the press release, you mentioned, I think, the wording was an ample supply of off-market acquisition opportunities. So, I just wanted to dig into that. I mean, is that something where we should kind of be expecting more of these opportunities as we go through the back half of the year, are you just kind of referring to what's already been identified in and announced to date?

Lou Haddad

Thanks Peter. It’s good to hear from you. I'd say it's a little bit of both. What you should understand is we have a 40-year track record in our markets. Do we have a number of people that we've done business with over the years, many of whom own very desirable property? And we continually talk to them about the possibilities of joining with us either through an outright sale or an OP Unit transaction. There are a couple of those in the offing and a couple of larger opportunities as well.

Again, timing is hard to put – it's hard to put a date on it. But I think you'll see more activity of that ilk over the next two quarters or so.

Peter Abramowitz

Okay. That's helpful. And then on Wills Wharf, apologies if I missed this in the prepared remarks. But how is store [ph] activity and just kind of interests on this space that you have left relative to what the vacancy is there?

Lou Haddad

Sure. You may have joined late. What we said earlier was that we're at lease with another full floor credit tenant which will leave basically two floors left in the building. We have proposals out for effectively four floors if not a little bit more. As I mentioned earlier, the velocity of stores [ph] is really at a very, very fast clip at this point in time. We couldn't be happier with what's going on.

And then as Mike alluded to the question is how quickly that was turned into leases and then how quickly that turns into actual rent. Everything seems to take longer these days notwithstanding the pandemic just get permits for tenant improvements and then the actual work in the actual move ins. Like we said earlier, we're looking at well into 2022 before you really have those people in and paying rent.

Peter Abramowitz

Okay. Got it. And then one more for me. It was good to see you have some more clarity now on Harrisonburg as well as Southern Post. So, I guess that leaves tenant dry on a, as the one, that’s still kind of on pause. I guess what would you need to see or what are you looking for kind of points of progress to check off before you feel comfortable going forward with development.

Lou Haddad

So, Pete this is the beauty of having a diversified model. That project was intended to be a mid-rise office building anchored by a Fortune 100 tenant, as well as a Publix on the ground floor. We are concerned about putting as much spec space in that particular location as that original design called for. And so, we're working with Publix and the other tenant, as well as our partner to see if there's a better mix for that property. And we believe that there is a. We're running some test designs now.

And I think you'll see an announcement here in the next quarter or so on a new project that we we'll be happy to get underway. But I can't emphasize enough how much of an advantage it is not to be locked into one product type and also having your own development and construction expertise certainly helps.

Peter Abramowitz

All right. Thank you. That's it for me.

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Lou Haddad for closing remarks.

Lou Haddad

Thanks very much for joining us this morning. Stay tuned, as I said earlier, for further updates. I think you will be hearing from us later in the quarter in a couple of different arenas. And we look forward to updating you in November. Thank you. Take care.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.